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Old 09-10-2012, 12:58 PM
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Hi everyone!

I just completed my first pizza oven and couldn't be more excited to start using it. I built a half barrel oven using a foam form and just removed the form today.

I was searching for info on the mortar and joints and found this forum.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:11 PM
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Hello from Georgia.

I have just finished the same type of oven. I did not buy the form from them just made my own form.

You need to take it very slowly as you fire it up. I thought I was going slow enough but ended up with a small crack from front to back and one in the back wall. The crack opens up as the oven heats and closes up as the oven cools.

I plan to build a housing over my oven and fill it with vermiculite insulation because the outside of the oven got very hot and the oven did not hold the heat as long as I expected.

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Old 09-11-2012, 08:39 PM
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Hello from Georgia.

I have just finished the same type of oven. I did not buy the form from them just made my own form.

You need to take it very slowly as you fire it up. I thought I was going slow enough but ended up with a small crack from front to back and one in the back wall. The crack opens up as the oven heats and closes up as the oven cools.

I plan to build a housing over my oven and fill it with vermiculite insulation because the outside of the oven got very hot and the oven did not hold the heat as long as I expected.

David
Based on your photo your oven did not get fully heat saturated. You still have a significant amount of carbon on the inside (in the corners) you were just getting close to full heat but still about 2 - 3 pieces of wood and 15 - 30 minutes away, There still could be some residual water in your bricks in the thicker corner sections. You may need another 4 - 5 fires to get all the residual moisture out. Insulation will be the key to holding heat long term.

BTW the fire is a little small to achieve 950F. What I see there would be getting close to a pizza maintenance fire but not a get the pizza oven hot type of fire.

If you are planning for bread you will want to maintain a high fire for an extended period to fully saturate the brick with heat, and Insulate, Insulate, Insulate. Oh I think I forgot to say something important - - Insulate.

Chip

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the oven got very hot and the oven did not hold the heat as long as I expected.

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David,

How are you planning on retaining the heat? Are you able to plug the flue and cap the door? It looks like the design is going to let the heat out in two directions.
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David,

How are you planning on retaining the heat? Are you able to plug the flue and cap the door? It looks like the design is going to let the heat out in two directions.
Good point.. Where does the door seal?? and where is the flue in relationship to the door?

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Hello from Georgia.

I have just finished the same type of oven. I did not buy the form from them just made my own form.

You need to take it very slowly as you fire it up. I thought I was going slow enough but ended up with a small crack from front to back and one in the back wall. The crack opens up as the oven heats and closes up as the oven cools.

I plan to build a housing over my oven and fill it with vermiculite insulation because the outside of the oven got very hot and the oven did not hold the heat as long as I expected.

David
Ugh, that stinks. How many curing fires did you run through before trying to bring it up to temp? Im getting ready to start my first small curing fire today. Im just going to burn a few small pieces of wood very "gently".

Looks like we built the same kind of oven.
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Good point.. Where does the door seal?? and where is the flue in relationship to the door?

Chip
The idea behind these ovens is the thickness and the amount of firebrick used in the construction. The oven is 5-6 inches thick and all firebrick. IT supposedly holds heat that way - no insulation and no door needed. I am however thinking about the insulation just like DavidApp said.

I am also going to build an archway in the front of my oven and close it up a bit, and make a door.


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The idea behind these ovens is the thickness and the amount of firebrick used in the construction. The oven is 5-6 inches thick and all firebrick. IT supposedly holds heat that way - no insulation and no door needed. I am however thinking about the insulation just like DavidApp said.

I am also going to build an archway in the front of my oven and close it up a bit, and make a door.


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Build A Wood Fired Brick Oven / DIY Pizza Oven by BrickWood Ovens
I hope you have a large, low cost source of wood. Without insulation under the oven you will lose a bunch of heat into your structure. With 4.5 inches of insulation under my floor bricks I still read 20 - 50F degrees over ambient radiating into the ceiling of my wood box below my oven, after long burns.

Putting insulation over the oven will help but heat being sucked out the flue and into the floor will still be a major issue.

And a lack of a way to damper the flue, or completely isolate it from the firebox you will loose a great deal of heat after the fire goes out. Not much chance for bread baking here.

Best of luck.

Chip
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Old 09-12-2012, 06:20 AM
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I hope you have a large, low cost source of wood. Without insulation under the oven you will lose a bunch of heat into your structure. With 4.5 inches of insulation under my floor bricks I still read 20 - 50F degrees over ambient radiating into the ceiling of my wood box below my oven, after long burns.

Putting insulation over the oven will help but heat being sucked out the flue and into the floor will still be a major issue.

And a lack of a way to damper the flue, or completely isolate it from the firebox you will loose a great deal of heat after the fire goes out. Not much chance for bread baking here.

Best of luck.

Chip
Yes, I starting to understand that. Thanks for the info.

Just curious - when you say the floor temp is 20-50 degrees over ambient, do you mean the ambient outside temp?

I would think that the fire burning on the floow would impart lots of heat given you heat it well.
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Yes, I starting to understand that. Thanks for the info.

Just curious - when you say the floor temp is 20-50 degrees over ambient, do you mean the ambient outside temp?

I would think that the fire burning on the floow would impart lots of heat given you heat it well.
The 20 - 50 degrees over ambient is outside the oven -- layers are listed top to bottom.
(All temps measured with an IR thermometer.)

Layers

Inside oven at ceiling firebrick 4.25 inches thick - 950F
Firebrick floor of oven 2.5 inches thick - 800 - 900F
Ceramic Board insulation 2 inches - Unknown temp
Vermicrete insulation 2.5 inches - Unknown temp
Concrete structural layer 4.5 inches thick
Outside bottom surface of structural layer 20 - 50F above outside Air temp (ambient). after about 5 hours at 800 - 900F inside the oven

From - the web site you linked to it states ---

"How hot do the ovens get and how long can they hold their heat?
The ovens can get up to 900+ degrees and can hold their cooking heat for hours! You can cook for
hours off a single firing! For a longer cooking experience, you will need to occasionally add a piece of
firewood to increase the heat."


A well insulated oven should keep heat for days not hours, and always needing to add wood is a costly solution; And might not be what you want for certain types of cooking.

I can cook for up to 6 days after raking out my coals. I need to wait until two days after a Pizza party to cook bread at 550F. because the oven is still to hot. Today there are ribs going in the oven at 240F from a fire I had on Friday. and I baked 60 rolls of bread on Sunday. Again there has been no "Fire" in the oven since Friday - just cooking on retained heat.

I am not trying to be a wet blanket here but trying to get people who are not insulating to understand the issue.

I am sure you will have great fun with your oven, Please enjoy it and have lots of pizza parties.

Chip

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