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Old 03-18-2014, 09:13 AM
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Default Stones for very high temps?

Hi Everyone.

Do baking stones typically have a temperature rating?

I fire pizza's on a converted weber grill which I managed to get up to about a thousand degrees last night.

I have a cheap $15 bed bath and beyond stone which held up fine for the first 2 pies, but when I went out to put on the 3rd noticed that it had broken completely in half. That being said, I do think just a tiny bit of cheese from the 2nd pizza may have made it onto to the stone. Would that have caused it to break? At temps that extreme I know it gets a little dicey.

Bottom line is I need to find something that will be a little more forgiving in the 800f + range. Any suggestions? I'm wondering if the cheapo quarry tiles would hold up?

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Old 03-18-2014, 09:24 AM
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Your pizza stone is probably "rated" just fine, however, it probably cracked because of the thermal gradient. In other words, one side is exposed to more heat than the other. The bottom side is exposed to the direct flame, whereas the top side gets rapidly cooled when you throw on the fresh pizza dough. This, coupled with the thermal cycling sets up internal stresses within the brittle material. The only possible solution you have is to build yourself a wood fired oven !!!
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:48 AM
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Default Re: Stones for very high temps?

I think jeeppiper's got it right.

Or you could dial it down a notch - trying to cook at 1000F is a bit extreme. I think most of us cook our pies when the floor is in the 650 to 800F range.
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:15 AM
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Your pizza stone is probably "rated" just fine, however, it probably cracked because of the thermal gradient. In other words, one side is exposed to more heat than the other. The bottom side is exposed to the direct flame, whereas the top side gets rapidly cooled when you throw on the fresh pizza dough. This, coupled with the thermal cycling sets up internal stresses within the brittle material. The only possible solution you have is to build yourself a wood fired oven !!!
Oh i totally agree about the WFO, this is more of just a test run of my pie making skills before I move onto the big leagues

As far as the heat exchange, this makes sense, I just thought that because the dome of the oven was upwards of 950f, then there would not be that much of a heat gradient between the top and bottom.

I think i'll definitely will dial it down a bit though. At those temps it was actually getting to difficult to manage the cook. The pies were needing to be turned within like 15 seconds of going in and basically had to spin them constantly to keep them from turning to charcoal on whatever side was facing the direct heat.

I had always been envious of the 60 sec cook times of the pro ovens but I guess i can settle for 2-3 minutes
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:27 AM
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BB&B offers a number of faux 'pizza stones', virtually all of which ($15-$50) do not identify their composition other than 'natural' materials. The one legitimate stone they offer is a 13" soapstone round that they list for $125. (ouch!)

Soapstone International in Anaheim will sell you an offcut for around $20/sq' (last time I was quoted was two years ago). If you go this route, make sure there is no veining in the stone at all or it will crack along the vein.

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Old 03-18-2014, 01:08 PM
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BB&B offers a number of faux 'pizza stones', virtually all of which ($15-$50) do not identify their composition other than 'natural' materials. The one legitimate stone they offer is a 13" soapstone round that they list for $125. (ouch!)

Soapstone International in Anaheim will sell you an offcut for around $20/sq' (last time I was quoted was two years ago). If you go this route, make sure there is no veining in the stone at all or it will crack along the vein.

San Diego and Anaheim Soapstone Countertops
That's an awesome suggestion, thank you. I have a friend who knows quiet a bit about stone, I'll be sure to take him with me when I go.

Right now, for a short term solution I'm actually looking at Kiln Shelves. I have a clay supplier near me and they sell 18" round cordierite stones for like $18. I've read a few posts by people saying they work well.
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:22 PM
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I ve used a stone for over 5 years
$15 from Aldi with a free Stainless Pizza Rocker cutter
Got the second one with a free wooden peel same price.

I use them in a regular oven and haven't got above 250C
Makes excellent pizzas (I've had real ones in Naples)
Takes about 10 minutes.
Obviously not WFO pizza but so convenient and so good it does make you think is the WFO worth while to build and fire up for 2 pizzas on Saturday night that might be a few percent better but a lot more inconvenient.

Im still going to build an oven though
For sustainability
Give me a off grid cooking option a bread and slow cooking oven and bio char maker.

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Old 03-19-2014, 02:41 AM
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Im still going to build an oven though
For sustainability
Give me a off grid cooking option a bread and slow cooking oven and bio char maker.
285 posts and you haven't yet built an oven? Get your arse off the internet and out into the backyard.

(Though I have to admit I actually prefer the pizzas I make on the stone under the griller. But the process of making them in a WFO is way more fun.)
My pizza stone is a 300 x 300x20 sawn sandstone paver from Bunnings. They last well, and if you break one its only about $6 for a new one.

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Old 03-19-2014, 05:50 AM
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Ive built many in my head just no actual ones,(helped a friend build a real one)
When its built it is going to be pretty good though(way better than if I built it 285 posts ago)
It would have been in the wrong position too,Ive changed my mind 3 times so far.
Wont be this year though as I have heaps of other projects on.
Carport,garden beds and major landscaping.
It will probably be one of next years projects
Meanwhile I will eat my pizzas of a stone from an indoor oven and wait a few minutes longer.
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:06 AM
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I doubt I speak for everyone, but if convenience was the driving force then I don't think i'd even bother making my own pies.

For me, whether it's cooking, brewing my own beer, makings pizza's, whatever... It's all about testing myself to see how good of a product I can produce. I LOVE Neapolitan style pizza, thus my goal is to make the best representation of it that I can possibly pull off. If that means planning dough 3 days ahead spending my Saturday morning splitting oak logs, well then so be it!
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