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Old 01-10-2012, 06:55 AM
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Hello

Could somebody summarize how pizza changes depending on:

+ Low T cooking vs High T cooking
+ More or less water
+ Baker yeast vs chemical yeast
+ More or less oil
+ Adding milk or egg. (Yes some people do it)

Do you advice to bake the base first?
Do you advice to put a container with water in the oven?

thanks
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:44 PM
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hello

Thank you very much for your thorough explanation.

When I say chemical yeast I mean baking powder. I'm sorry I don't speak English very well.

When I say "bake the base first" I didn't mean to bake it a long time before and keeping it somewhere.
I mean baking it for 1 minute, extract it from the oven, immediately put the topping, and introduce it on the oven again.

That way the base would be properly baked withouth any wet ingredient interfering or moisting the top of the base.
I guess it won't be a problem if the base is very thin, but it's a common problem with some other thicker products (such as a Quiche Lorraine or a thick pizza).


regards
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:46 PM
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Hello

Thank you very much for your thorough explanation.

When I say chemical yeast I mean baking powder. I'm sorry I don't speak English very well.

When I say "bake the base first" I didn't mean to bake it a long time before and keeping it somewhere.
I mean baking it for 1 minute, extract it from the oven, immediately put the topping, and introduce it on the oven again.

That way the base would be properly baked withouth any wet ingredient interfering or moisting the top of the base.
I guess it won't be a problem if the base is very thin, but it's a common problem with some other thicker products (such as a Quiche Lorraine or a thick pizza).


regards
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Old 01-12-2012, 04:44 AM
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Hi

And finally...
What do you think about adding sugar, yolk or milk to the dough.
many recipes advise to add some of these ingredients.

What I don't like about yeast is that sometimes homemade pizzas taste of bread instead of pizza. Maybe is because I use too much yeast, but if use less the pizza can be to tough.

I'll be thinking all this information and trying it.

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Old 01-12-2012, 08:02 AM
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Skan, What is your pizza dream?

If I have a chance to come to Valencia and have a local pizza, I can imagine toppings like Razor clams, Octopus, Prawns, not to forget Jamon Iberico, Jamon Serrano and all of the spectacular vegetables. Balancing these flavors with the pizza crust is the problem. I’d start with the Naples style crust, very thin and a minimum of any kind of sauce then add the above toppings after the baking the crust, but his is just my initial vision. By using a thin crust, the pizza crust is a canvas for the spectacular toppings, it becomes a supporting flavor and not the dominant flavor.


Chris

PS I almost forgot the Olives and Olive oil.

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Old 01-12-2012, 11:53 AM
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I didn't imagine you would have a look at my profile, usually I even don't fill it.

I like very much grilled prawns and raw oysters and smoked salmon. But I haven't found a really good seafood pizza yet.
Many years ago I liked pizza with as much ingredients as possible but as I grew older I prefer fewer.

If you ever cook pizza with ham I advise you not to put the ham on the oven,
add it later instead, at least if you are using good ham.
If you cook it turns into kinda dried bacon. I think it's a shame to pay a lot for ham if you cook it.
You could also try cecina (or italian bresaola)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecina_(meat)
Bresaola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
maybe is not as good as ham if to eat alone but it has a stronger taste on the pizza.

My likings are simple, a very thin the pizza with ham or cecina, cheese, rucola and some tomato.
And other combinations with some vegetables but I can't decide now.
Dried tomato (the one that comes in a jar with oil) is very nice as well.

If you come to Valencia you shouldn't try a pizza but some paella (in the Albufera).

Anyway, I'm not a pizza maker, just a pizza eater, and now I'm very hungry.
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Old 01-12-2012, 12:42 PM
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I picked up from the thred that you were spanish and your location was Valencia.. :-) Last May I visited San Sebastian and Pamplona and I have seen Paella being made, on TV, and it looked spectacular..

As for the Pizza, my tastes are also "less is more".. Better quality food and try not to screw it up.

Are you trying to cook your pizza on a stone in your home oven?

Chris


PS. It's lunch time and I'm now famished..
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:34 PM
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I have stuck to the Cupito recipe and have been happy with it as a base. I intend to give my sourdough a try over the next few months and the central milling 00 flour as well.

Chris
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SCChris View Post
Are you trying to cook your pizza on a stone in your home oven?
I have an old gas oven and I've decided to buy the stone when I have some time.
I'd prefer a wood-fired one but it doesn't fit in my flat


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Any sugar, or malt syrup as some of the guys on the forum use, would presumably be consumed by the yeast.
.......
It'll just take longer if you use less.
I had read that sugar was added as nutrient for the yeast but also that it was added to get a browner pizza ¿¿if not consumed by the yeast??.

Yeast is alive and will grow generating more yeast but I don't know how fast is this process. Maybe yeast produces a lot of CO2 that blows the dough but it replicates itself only a little bit. ¿¿??

I like your explanations. I'm tired of books and webs that don't explain anything and just copy and paste recipes from elsewhere.

How much yeast to use depending on its kind (fresh, active, dry, compressed, instant....) ?

00 flour is commonly used to prepare pizza but doesn't it have a too low protein content?

And, what about semolina?, Don't you use it?
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:06 PM
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The amount of yeast used relates to how soon you need to use the dough. The more live yeast the sooner the dough can be used but if you use less yeast and allow more time, then other "good" things happen to the flavor of the dough. I allow at least one night of cold rest for the dough. The reason is that enzymes are working to break down the carbohydrates into sugars and other flavor components that won't be perceptible without time. The current thought is that the dough can rest for about 4 days before it becomes too consumed by these enzymes to taste as good as it could. The refrigeration slows the yeast down so they don't consume the sugars in the dough too soon. When I bake bread I often use half of the recommended amount of yeast because I allow the yeast more time to multiply then given in the recipe. In short less yeast and more time give you better flavor. I also use instant yeast because more live yeast is present in this than our standard dry yeast.

Italian 00 flour is lower protein than what we in the USA call Bread Flour but higher than pastry flour. The 00 lower content still allows enough gluten to be created to allow the CO2 from the yeast to create a bread like structure rather than a cake like or cracker structure. Some breads are made with Semolina Flour, but I don't have any experience with is so I can't comment.

I can comment on your stone choice for the oven. I have tried and used both Granite and Soapstone and don't see much difference in my home oven but I'm limited to my oven's maximum temperature of 550F / 290C. Both of these work great on pizza and bread and have the added benifit of holding temperatures very even in the oven.


Chris

I use 65% hydration in my dough.

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