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Old 10-15-2009, 07:26 PM
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Default Silky, Stretchable Dough - How??????

Oh dear ... I've just watched the FB dough preparation video on youtube and realised that my dough is NOTHING like that at all. What I saw was a silky, elastic, stretchable dough that was easy to work.

Mine does not stretch easily and partially springs back to it's original shape. When I do stretch it at room temperature it goes very thin in patches and I spend my time having to perform "puncture repairs" all the time. This despite overnight proofing in the fridge, weighing ingredients and dough balls with digital scale, special pizza flour and overnight fermentation. I have followed the FB recipe to the letter, so why not silky dough?

Hmmmm ... Experts??

BTW what is the recommended dough ball weight for a pizza?
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:47 PM
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I'm not sure of the exact cause, but springing back means that your gluten structure is too tight and not relaxed enough. What specific kind of flour are you using, and how long is the dough resting at room temperature before shaping into a pizza?
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:38 PM
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Process according to the FB recipe... except I cut down on the salt to 3 grams and the yeast to 6 grams (fresh).

Autolyse - 20 mins, add remaining flour and knead for 5-6 mins.

Proof for 2 hours on bench

Knead briefly then cut dough into balls

Put in fridge for 12 hrs

Stand for 1.5 hrs on counter before using...

Using Weston Milling - Milano Pizza Flour. It is a locally available pizza flour that has been used with good results by others.

Rossco

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Old 10-15-2009, 09:57 PM
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I'm not totally sure what the official standard weight is, but I usually have 250 grams for a 10 inch pizza.

When your dough ball is at room temperature, does it sit straight up on the counter, or does it kind of flop downwards? The flop indicates that the dough is extensible while a stiff dough ball means that the gluten needs more rest.

A few more questions. Why did you remove the extra salt? Have you tried the FB recipe using commercial (not cake) yeast? Let's see if we can eliminate some variables.

I'm not yet a great pizzaiolo, but I bake fairly well and understand how to manipulate a dough.

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Old 10-15-2009, 10:10 PM
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Thanks Stan - I just thought that the 10 grams (from memory) was a bit too much and the fresh yeast I used was scaled up - 1 batch 3 x dry = 9 grams, and the latest batch 2 x dry = 6 grams. Would changing say salt/yeast content affect the end result??

No haven't used commercial yeast - only the fesh that I got from the local Italian shop. I think I should go back to the standard dry yeast that the recipe calls for to remove that as a potential problem as this has given the best results so far.

Is it advisable to go to the full 10 grams of salt or whatever the number mentioned in the recipe was?

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Old 10-15-2009, 10:27 PM
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Mine does not stretch easily and partially springs back to it's original shape. When I do stretch it at room temperature it goes very thin in patches and I spend my time having to perform "puncture repairs" all the time. This despite overnight proofing in the fridge, weighing ingredients and dough balls with digital scale, special pizza flour and overnight fermentation. I have followed the FB recipe to the letter, so why not silky dough?

Hmmmm ... Experts??
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I'm not an expert, but a person who used to have the same problems as you are having. In my case, it had nothing to do with the dough. It was me overhandling the dough while stretching it. Do you remember how long you handled the dough when stretching? I think, for me, anything more than 30-40 seconds of handling results in the issues you mention.

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BTW what is the recommended dough ball weight for a pizza?
I'm able to make 12-13" pizzas with 225 grams. Initially, I was unable to get nice round ones. I also had my share of tears and breaks. But over time, my wife and I have been able to make round ones. I think it took us about 50 pizzas to gain enough experience to handle and stretch right. The dough recipe never changed.
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:41 PM
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Tks delicioso - I am definitely handling it longer than 30-40 secs.

In re watching the FB video I see that the dough at the cutting stage is very soft and floppy. As per Stan's question... my dough is not "floppy" but rather more stiff in texture. Does this need more water perhaps?

I have gone strictly according to the FB recipe - even weighing the ingredients. Could it be to do with the weather/humidity?

I'm sure that there is something small/simple that I am missing .. maybe using 3 grams instead of 10 grams of salt?

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Old 10-15-2009, 11:03 PM
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Rossco, I've been using 10 gr of salt (instead of the 20 in the original recipe) and it's worked out fine. I also had dough that occasionally refused to relax. However, I also left some dough balls out on the table in their tupperware on occassion, got busy doing other things (people were stuffed with pizza so I took a break) then had more guests show up. So I returned to the oven assuming my dough balls sitting in the tupperwares for 2-3 hours were ruined or couldn't make good pizza and they spread and were floppy like I've never seen before. I think you might let them come to better room temperature, but do keep them covered with a moist towel in a plastic bag. Just a thought, good luck - Dino
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:33 PM
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Thanks Dino - will give that a go. How many hours room temperature rest is necessary do you reckon?

I will definitely up the salt to 10 grams. Maybe that is necessary to ensure the correct checmical reaction.

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Old 10-16-2009, 04:14 AM
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Ok - next round of dough started.

Working according to the FB recipe and added 350 grams flour for the autolese process.

I expect that when I add the remaining 150 grams of flour that the dough will end up too stiff. Can I add water to the consistence just right or is there a better way to approach this? Maybe slightly less flour added?

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