Proofing Issues Pizza Discuss Proofing Issues in the Brick Oven Cooking forums; I've been making bread and pizza dough for years, but just tried the FB Caputo pizza dough recipe. I'm using ...

[Marcos]

I've been making bread and pizza dough for years, but just tried the FB Caputo pizza dough recipe. I'm using a mix of Caputo 00 and KA bread flour, and am making half-batches until I get it right. Halving the FB recipe results in 1/4 teaspoon of yeast, which is what I'm using. This is the first yeast dough I've made without adding sugar.

The problem: When proofing the dough, there is virtually no rise. I've let the first proof go 3 hours and nothing has happened. I've never had this happen before. As a fix, I tried letting just the yeast and warm water sit for 5 minutes before adding the flour, but that didn't help.

Any ideas?

[Dutchoven]

Originally Posted by Marcos

I've been making bread and pizza dough for years, but just tried the FB Caputo pizza dough recipe. I'm using a mix of Caputo 00 and KA bread flour, and am making half-batches until I get it right. Halving the FB recipe results in 1/4 teaspoon of yeast, which is what I'm using. This is the first yeast dough I've made without adding sugar.

The problem: When proofing the dough, there is virtually no rise. I've let the first proof go 3 hours and nothing has happened. I've never had this happen before. As a fix, I tried letting just the yeast and warm water sit for 5 minutes before adding the flour, but that didn't help.

Any ideas?

Marcos
Temperature in the area where the dough is kept while rising...is it Instant Dry or Active Dry yeast...
Best
Dutch

[james]

How old is your yeast? Any chance it's lost its zing.
James

[Archena]

Hi,

The guys are right the first thing to check is your yeast. Assuming it's the right kind, make sure it's still viable. Easiest way to do that is use a recipe that you know works.

Also, go back over the recipe and make absolutely certain you got your proportions right. A mistake there will murder your yeast.

If all of that checks out, then you probably need to play with proportions of your flour. Since you're not feeding the yeast the flour has to do it. Your blend may simply not have enough carbs.

[RTflorida]

Now I am confused....Marcos mentions halving the FB recipe to 1/4 teaspoon of yeast. My question, is this really enough (or 1/2 teaspoon for a full 4 cup flour batch)?

I just checked out the recipe that is currently listed.....sure enough 1/2 teaspoon is what it says. When was this drastic reduction in yeast made? I am looking at the recipe that shipped with my original order of Caputo flour as well as the identical recipe that I printed from the forum at the same time; both clearly call for 2 teaspoons for the 4 cups of flour.
I can say that I have tinkered quite a bit with both the yeast and salt amounts, but have never used less than 1 teaspoon with good results. Maybe this works if you are putting in the fridge overnight (or longer) AFTER the 1 1/2 - 2 hr proof, but I'm pretty certain you won't have enough rise (at least I have not) from the basic proof time and then using the dough the same day or within a few hrs.
I'm certainly far from an expert, I only know what has worked and has not worked for me...this minimal amount of yeast just doesn't seem right.

RT

[Archena]

Actually RT, I'd wondered the same thing. It didn't sound like enough to me when I read the recipe, but I've never made that recipe before. But the more I think about it, the more I think you're right, it's probably that there isn't enough yeast.

[brokencookie]

That is the amount of yeast ( active dry yeast) I use without any problem. After mixing the dough - 45 minutes on the counter. Make dough balls. 24 hrs in the fridge and then about an hour to warm up. No problems. Makes great dough. If I want to push the time frame (like when I forget to make dough the day before) I will increase the yeast to 1 or 1.5 tsp and produce usable dough within 3 hrs.

Maybe your yeast is just tired


Bruce

[Archena]

Well, that eliminates one theory.

How far back in the cabinet was the yeast when you found it?

[RTflorida]

Bruce......the key is the 24 hr (or overnight) fridge time......As you stated, you increase to about the same amount of yeast 1 -1.5 tsp as I use if you are using it the same day.
The problem as I see it - The original 2 tsp recipe seems to be the one for same day use or directly after the proof. The current recipe lists the original instructions with the yeast cut down to 1/2 tsp - no mention of making it a day early and putting it in the fridge (which allows it to continue to rise at a much slower rate). This miss information or lack of instruction is leading to first time dough makers having problems. The dough instructions lead you to believe that after the 1 1/2 - 2 hr rise, you can punch it down, form it, and use it after a brief rest...I think we all have learned alot from our own experimentation and have found our own "sweet spot". I think it needs to be made clear that time and yeast amount can vary considerably; I know it is stated in many threads, but a lot of folks simply go straight to the recipes.
Do we need 2 sets of instructions or just clearly state that for "todays use" you will need "X" amount , for best taste use "Y" amount and store in the fridge overnight. (dough really does taste better the next day). Personally, I only make my dough a day in advance about 25% of the time...so that "tweaked" original recipe is what I mostly use, that is why I was shocked when I read this thread and then the vast difference in amounts, with the same instructions.

RT

[Marcos]

Thanks for all of the thoughtful replies. What a great forum.

Anyway, I feel like an idiot. I finally just proofed the yeast with 112 degree water and there was neither foam nor bubbles. Nada. I usually bake enough bread to get through a jar quickly, but lately I've been so slammed at work that I lost track of time. Next time I'll mark the jar with the date when I open it. Or maybe I'll just stick to packets. I've learned one thing, though: if there's any doubt, proof the yeast first. I hate wasting good flour...

Thanks again.