Forno Bravo Forum: The Wood-Fired Oven Community http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/ Pizza Oven User Group, community of pizza oven, brick oven and authentic Italian pizza lovers en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:17:22 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/images/misc/rss.jpg Forno Bravo Forum: The Wood-Fired Oven Community http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/ practice turkey http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f25/practice-turkey-8933.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:51:56 GMT With thanksgiving a week away, I decided to cook a practice turkey in the pizza oven. I lit a fire the day before and got it to pizza temps. Once the logs burned off I threw the door on. The turkey was a medium/ large size bird and was purchased for only 6 dollars. I brined it, which is... With thanksgiving a week away, I decided to cook a practice turkey in the pizza oven.

I lit a fire the day before and got it to pizza temps. Once the logs burned off I threw the door on.

The turkey was a medium/ large size bird and was purchased for only 6 dollars.

I brined it, which is just a fancy way of submerging it in a salt water solution overnight.
This ensures a super moist turkey. 24 hours later pulled the turkey out of the brine, rubbed some salt, herbs and seasoning on
it and placed it breast side up on a roasting pan.

I threw 4 more logs in and lit a slow medium fire.
Once these logs flamed off I slid the turkey in the oven and threw the door on.
3.5 hours later, pulled it out and had a perfect turkey. Smokey, juicy and tender with meat falling off the bone.

When it comes to the actual turkey day I would do everything the same. ]]> What You Cooked Last Night michelevit http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f25/practice-turkey-8933.html ***Computer Crash*** http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f30/computer-crash-8932.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:09:04 GMT not my week,,,, saturday car crash,,,, wednesday computer crash,,,, Wanted to remind everyone to BACK UP,,, Fortunately I didnt lose too much as I back up to an external drive.. iust have to reload everything.... I would have been mad if I lost all my WFO pics.. ***BACK UP TODAY*** Cheers... not my week,,,, saturday car crash,,,, wednesday computer crash,,,, Wanted to remind everyone to BACK UP,,, Fortunately I didnt lose too much as I back up to an external drive.. iust have to reload everything.... I would have been mad if I lost all my WFO pics..

***BACK UP TODAY***

Cheers
Mark ]]> Chit Chat ThisOldGarageNJ http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f30/computer-crash-8932.html Vendors in Australia http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f44/vendors-australia-8927.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:34:09 GMT Australia -Queensland Boyne Island I managed to get some Calcium Silicate Board from Pyrotek. Check them out at Pyrotek - Home Page (http://www.pyrotek.info). They have a heap of different materials. I decided on the calcium silicate board because it came in a large format (1.2mx1.28m x 38mm) and... Australia -Queensland Boyne Island
I managed to get some Calcium Silicate Board from Pyrotek. Check them out at Pyrotek - Home Page. They have a heap of different materials. I decided on the calcium silicate board because it came in a large format (1.2mx1.28m x 38mm) and matched the duty pretty well. They have outlets around the world and were very helpful.
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]]> Finding Building Materials backinoz http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f44/vendors-australia-8927.html 400 Fire bricks for sale in Brisbane Australia http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f40/400-fire-bricks-sale-brisbane-australia-8926.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:04:48 GMT Hi you lucky Queenslanders. I just found these ebay ads for 400 firebricks. PIZZA OVEN FIRE BRICKS - eBay, Other Building Materials, Building Materials, DIY, Home. (end time 27-Nov-09 21:14:08 AEDST)... Hi you lucky Queenslanders.
I just found these ebay ads for 400 firebricks.

PIZZA OVEN FIRE BRICKS - eBay, Other Building Materials, Building Materials, DIY, Home. (end time 27-Nov-09 21:14:08 AEDST)

AND

100 YEAR OLD FIRE BRICKS SCARCE AS HENS TEETH - eBay, Other Building Materials, Building Materials, DIY, Home. (end time 27-Nov-09 22:14:26 AEDST)

There are no excuses now.

Neill ]]> Barter, Trade and Exchange nissanneill http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f40/400-fire-bricks-sale-brisbane-australia-8926.html Italian Sourdough Starter http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f10/italian-sourdough-starter-8923.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:01:05 GMT I just received two different Italian sourdough starters in the mail from Sourdoughs International: sourdough bread starter, sourdough bread recipes, bread machine recipes (http://sourdo.com). I am wondering if anyone has any experience with these? I just received two different Italian sourdough starters in the mail from Sourdoughs International: sourdough bread starter, sourdough bread recipes, bread machine recipes. I am wondering if anyone has any experience with these? ]]> Pizza dsgreco http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f10/italian-sourdough-starter-8923.html Leoparding (Leopard Spotting) http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f10/leoparding-leopard-spotting-8916.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:29:19 GMT I am looking at getting some info together about developing leoparding on the crust. Below is a quick explanation on the term (called leopard spotting).

Word Coinage: 'leopard spotting' | Slice Pizza Blog

I am interested to hear from anyone who can suggest ways of making this happen when cooking pizza in the WFO. It definitely seems to be temperature related, but could also have to do with yeast/fermentation...

Rossco ]]> Pizza heliman http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f10/leoparding-leopard-spotting-8916.html Vendors in New Jersey http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f44/vendors-new-jersey-8915.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:55:44 GMT Here's a couple of the dealers I used in my build.

My local brickyard is Boychuck Stone, on Rt. 22 WB in Springfield, just past Springfield Ave. Great place, huge selection of brick, flue tile, stone, bluestone, free cuts. Problems: They only sell heat-stop in the ten pound bucket. No web site.

I went to Progressive brick, despite being way up near Teterboro Airport, because they have "red" firebrick. It was also the buck-a-brick place at the time. Red or white, full sized or splits, same price. They have heat-stop in the fifty pound bags. They carry the full line of Rumford throats and fancy chimney pots by superior clay. A note on the red firebrick, don't kill youself to get it. It's not very red, and seems to fade to beige in a few seasons.

I used eBay vendors for a lot of stuff, including this guy for bag after bag of Perlite. I now notice that he sells the perlite/portland mixture that the pool guys use, but it may be silly to pay to ship portland. This costs more to ship than to buy. I also bought my face brick on eBay.

I bought my HW insblock19 from Kraemer Gunite down near Philly. It was a closeout on an odd size (2 1/2") so I don't know what they would have now. Nice folks. I found my local Harbison-Walker branch to be less than helpful, but who knows, everybody can have a bad day.

Of course you're gonna be a regular at the masonry isle of the Home Depot or equivalent.

Good luck with your build, and chime in with more NYC area sources if you like. ]]> Finding Building Materials dmun http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f44/vendors-new-jersey-8915.html materials in Sacramento http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f44/materials-sacramento-8913.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:40:55 GMT Ok, here goes... Silverado Building Materials (http://silveradoonline.com/default.asp) has been my best source of supply in the Sacramento area. All manner of brick, stone, and bulk materials. Several times a year they have sale events, and they always have a clearance area with good deals. I... Ok, here goes...

Silverado Building Materials has been my best source of supply in the Sacramento area. All manner of brick, stone, and bulk materials. Several times a year they have sale events, and they always have a clearance area with good deals. I got most of the brick for my garden beds and the facing of the oven base there from the clearance section for $50 for the pallet. Prices on firebrick are about average, about $1.20 last I checked. They are a good brickyard with good customer service and good selection. When on sale, their materials are quite competitive with the big boxes. For the bulk organic topsoil compost blend we used for our garden, we paid literally about a third of what we would have if we had bought it in prepackaged plastic bags at HD.

For steel studs, though, I had to do a bit of searching. Apparently, Lowes and HD no longer carry them, and Silverado didn't either. I ended up going to Starr's Building Supply. Good source for specialized wall materials- lath & plaster and finishes, etc.

The Muddox manufacturing plant is also here just outside of town, right around the corner from Silverado; they sometimes have seconds for sale. They didn't have any firebrick when I checked, but other people have had some luck getting discolored or chipped bricks (fine for our use, but impossible for them to sell otherwise) for half price. I am a big fan of their red firebricks (more of a pale pink, really) for the floor... much smoother and harder than the yellow. They yellow were rougher, softer, and more porous. Easier to cut, but would probably not last as well under frequent use. Apparently, they don't make as many of the red, but being that it's quite literally right around the corner, Silverado usually has them in stock. ]]> Finding Building Materials cynon767 http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f44/materials-sacramento-8913.html Finding local building materials http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f44/finding-local-building-materials-8912.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:10:57 GMT Welcome to the newest FB Forum category -- Finding Local Building Materials. Post your questions and recommendations for the best places to find local resources in your home town.

Please do not make commercial postings here selling materials -- only FB can do that. :-)

If you can't find materials locally, or you don't want to shop, you can buy board and blanket insulation, mortar, chimneys, the Pompeii Oven kit, FB modular ovens and oven accessories from the Forno Bravo Store. I many parts of the US, the Pompeii Oven kit is actually less expensive (including shipping) than buying the materials locally. That ends this FB advertisement.

Build! Cook! Enjoy!

James ]]> Finding Building Materials james http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f44/finding-local-building-materials-8912.html ***Fresh Mozz Pizza*** http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f10/fresh-mozz-pizza-8899.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:49:24 GMT Hey all, I was making pizza over the weekend, and as usual started looking thru the fridge for toppings,,, two of which were, fresh mozz and prosciutto,,, so I put my pizza together as usual this one had the fresh mozz, broccoli rabe, and prosciutto....Image:... Hey all,
I was making pizza over the weekend, and as usual started looking thru the fridge for toppings,,, two of which were, fresh mozz and prosciutto,,, so I put my pizza together as usual this one had the fresh mozz, broccoli rabe, and prosciutto.... well it turned out later, Mom came over and told me it wasnt fresh mozz,, it was mozzarella curd.. All i can tell you is that it was one of the best pizzas i ever made and the curd turned itself into cheese perfectly. So now whenever I put fresh mozz on a pizza I just use the curd and it works great..... Accidental fresh mozz

Gotta love it
Mark
PS yes the pizza is in a to go box.... was sending it to my aunt, I made the same one for myself without the broccoli,,, Hers was prettier so I took a pic of it.. ]]> Pizza ThisOldGarageNJ http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f10/fresh-mozz-pizza-8899.html My portable tandoor oven build http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f43/my-portable-tandoor-oven-build-8898.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:56:54 GMT I'm about to start building a portable tandoor oven inside of a 30 gallon oil drum, kind of like what Grasshopp3r described in this tandoor oven ideas? thread.

I have most of the materials already. The interior dimensions of the 30 gallon drum is 18 inches diameter by 28.5 inches height. I have a supply of regular firebrick and split firebrick, and a terracotta flower pot to serve as the tandoor pot. The flower pot is about 16 inches tall and 16.5 inches in diameter at the top. 16 inches is a bit short for the walls of a tandoor oven, particularly since there will be a wood or charcoal fire built in the very bottom. That doesn't leave much wall space above for the naan, and puts the food too close to the coals.

So my plan is to build a firebrick floor in the bottom of the barrel, then put a vertical course of firebrick on top of the oven floor, and set the flowerpot on top of the vertical course. That'll lift the pot up another 9 inches over the fire.

With the bottom of the flowerpot cut off to make the top opening of the tandoor oven, the height of the pot will be 15 inches. The bricks are 9x4.5x2.5 inches. So the floor plus the vertical course around the periphery will be 11.5 inches. Add the 15 inch height of the flower pot for a total of 26.5 inches. That gives me two inches for insulation at the bottom of the barrel underneath the firebrick floor to bring the top of the oven even with the top of the barrel. I don't mind if it ends up a little above or below the rim.

I plan to use loose vermiculite around the outside of the flowerpot above the level of the firebrick course that it sits on top of to provide insulation. But I believe I need something more substantial below the floor and between the upper vertical brick course and the walls of the barrel. I don't want too much heat to transfer to the outside of the barrel.

So here are my questions:

1) Would ceramic blanket material work between the vertical firebrick and the steel drum wall. If so, how thick should it be? Does compressing it diminish its insulating properties? Where do you buy this stuff and what names does it go by? (The brickyard where I bought the firebrick did not sell it.)

2) Would 5 to 1 vermiculite to portland cement work effectively as an insulating layer below the floor and behind the vertical course against the barrel wall? Will two inches in the bottom of the barrel be sufficient? How thick should it be between the vertical firebrick course and the wall of the barrel? Would an inch be enough? I'm thinking that anything more than an inch thick would make the usable floor of the oven too small for an adequate fire. The barrel is only 18 inches inside diameter, and the firebricks are 2.5 inches thick. I could use thinner split brick for the vertical course, if necessary.

Thanks for any help or suggestions you can offer. I hope to record my build project with stills and video cam so I can post it later. If the video works out, I'll put it on YouTube. ]]> Other Oven Types voon http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f43/my-portable-tandoor-oven-build-8898.html Hi - I love these Pompeii ovens http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f3/hi-i-love-these-pompeii-ovens-8897.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:16:18 GMT Hi, I'm voon.

I stumbled across this site while researching information about building a tandoor oven. Now I am totally captivated by the idea of building one of these lovely Pompeii ovens. I've long wanted a wood fired pizza and bread oven, but I always figured that it would take a master mason to build one, and a huge $$$$ budget. I'm sure that helps, but after reading the free plans on this site, I am fairly certain I can build one too, and for a reasonable amount of money.

Alas, my current home has no space left to build one unless I build on the city's utility easement, which I suspect is not a good idea. So I'll have to save it for my next house, perhaps in about two years.

In the meantime, I'm going to build that tandoor oven. It'll be a portable one built inside of an oil drum, similar to examples I've seen on the net. If I'm successful, I'll build a larger permanent tandoor oven on my patio. That will be far simpler than building a Pompeii oven, but I expect it will still be a challenge for me.

Now I'm off to other parts of the forum to ask some questions about insulation. ]]> Introductions voon http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f3/hi-i-love-these-pompeii-ovens-8897.html New builder, some new tips, and a question http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f28/new-builder-some-new-tips-question-8896.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:24:36 GMT My wife's been bugging me for years to build her a beehive dome, and got me the FB plans, so I launched into it. So far it's doing pretty well, I'm up to about the fifth course and it's looking good. Using Heat Stop 50 which seems to work really well (I wanted to add sand, but the bag said not to). No forms so far, but I did build a 1/4 round "jig" that hooks onto a piece of rebar that fits into a hole in the central brick that will eventually take a thermocouple. I found that for splitting lots of bricks in half for the dome a cheap hand pumped log splitter works great, not a super straight surface but neat enough for something that won't show and will be mortared over and then immersed in perlite (enclosed dome). I found mine in a junk pile and had to get a new jack for it, but you can get them at Harbor Freight or such for about $100. When you're done building the oven, you can use it to split your wood! Figured out another trick: if you want to hold a small piece of brick to do some fine cutting with a circular saw with a masonry blade, fill something like a cat litter pan with about four inches of wet sand and bed the piece of brick down into it and wail away.
Question: should I do the initial curing before I enclose the dome in the insulation? I've been leaving the dome covered at night (it's down in the upper 30s here at night) with a heater running inside, and there is a LOT of moisture coming out of this thing. Seems I'd like that to escape into the atmosphere and not into the insulation. Speaking of which, there is a place here in the Lehigh Valley (Bethlehem/Allentown area) called Pennsylvania Perlite that has all different grades, big bags, cheap, no silicone. 800 473 7548.
Mike Space
BTW, the gentleman with the camera tripod gave me a good laugh mentioning Whitworth fittings, since I've got a bunch of British cars. Figures we'd be the type building ancient technology like brick ovens.:rolleyes:
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]]> Tools, Tips and Techniques spazio http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f28/new-builder-some-new-tips-question-8896.html mortar and cold temps - http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/mortar-cold-temps-8895.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:14:04 GMT I'm sure this question has been brought up before but I'm going to ask anyway:
Will below freezing temps matter for bricks just laid? We put a light in there and covered it with a few big cloths and a tarp. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
It won't heat it up too much, will it?

The low tonight is supposed to be 31.


Thanks,
Cecelia ]]> Pompeii Oven Construction cecilB http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/mortar-cold-temps-8895.html <![CDATA[Tom's 42' Pompeii, Penn Valley, Ca.]]> http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/toms-42-pompeii-penn-valley-ca-8888.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:00:55 GMT I'm started my project with moving a rock wall, because where we wanted to put the oven was too close to the property line. My wife helped me and we completed the task in one day, which included her decorating a little.
I also put down some road rock on the hillside so I can access the sight with my truck and tractor this winter.
I couldn't do any of the work I've done on our property without the tractor. We are on 5 acres somewhat between Sacramento and Tahoe.
I am attaching some pictures of the progress so far.
Thank you to everyone before me, your ideas and hard work are an inspiration. I just hope my work will turn out good enough to post pictures of. :)

Tom
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