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Old 06-08-2007, 05:25 AM
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I have insulated my (iglo-shaped) oven using a blanket and a layer of perlite. I did not have a need for any wiremesh to keep the perlite where it is. Next step is to stucco the whole thing.

Should I use wiremesh to strengthen the stucco? I'm afraid it might rust after some time, even if it's galvanized. The thing is that I can not get any real weatherproof stucco here in Holland (can you imagine in a place where it can rain for days). All I can get my hands on is waterrepellant stucco so I guess I will paint the stucco afterwards with some waterproof paint. Still I'm not convinced that the water will never reach the wiremesh.

Any ideas?
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Old 06-10-2007, 10:44 AM
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Anybody please?
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Old 06-10-2007, 03:21 PM
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I have insulated my (iglo-shaped) oven using a blanket and a layer of perlite. I did not have a need for any wiremesh to keep the perlite where it is. Next step is to stucco the whole thing.

Should I use wiremesh to strengthen the stucco? I'm afraid it might rust after some time, even if it's galvanized. The thing is that I can not get any real weatherproof stucco here in Holland (can you imagine in a place where it can rain for days). All I can get my hands on is waterrepellant stucco so I guess I will paint the stucco afterwards with some waterproof paint. Still I'm not convinced that the water will never reach the wiremesh.

Any ideas?
Hi,
*Where did you get the impression that stucco was not weatherproof?
*What the heck is "waterrepellant stucco"
*Wouldn't "waterrepellant stucco" by definition repel water and negate the need for waterproof paint?

Did I slip and fall into a 3rd dimension? Or am I missing something here in this post? I have been around cement products since I was born and I have no idea where all this came from

You should use wire-mesh to strengthen the stucco. There are more advanced, modern stucco mixes out there in the world that do not need wire but for the oven purpose just use the wire. Rust?? the concrete bridge deck you cross now and then has rebar and steel in it..how old is the oldest one near you? don't over think it, the wire will be just fine, for as long as you live...
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:22 AM
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Hi Uno,

Thanks for the reply (and I thought I could ask all the dumb questions of the world on THIS forum without you watching here as well )

Waterrepellant: I really don't know why the manufactures call it waterrepellant instead of waterproof. Sounds like they don't like to guarantee that the stucco really is waterproof. Anyway, it made me suspicious. Hence the thought of using waterproof paint.

Is the steelfree cover of a concrete bridge not much more than the 3/4" I will use for my stucco layer? Ok, ok I got the message .. I will use a mesh. Thanks again.

Rick
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Old 06-11-2007, 08:37 AM
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Hey Rick,

I honestly did not know who you were when I replied. Did I pi$$ you off at the other forum? I'm famous for that, its one of the drawbacks of being Sicilian and Calabrese. There are NO DUMB questions in this world only dumb people who ask them..( just kidding ) seriously don't sweat it, from the time I was a kid the most common thing I remember coming from adults mouths was "boy you ask a lot of questions"
I read in an earlier part of this thread..(Im still learning the post system here)..
someone mentioned an Omega product in a bucket for the stucco. This is an excellent product but again for a traditionalist like me its not really necessary for the oven if the stucco is done right. Their "Diamond Wall" one coat stucco is also a very impressive product, its what I had in mind in the other post. But this would be used for a decorative finish to the structure once its all done.

You would be surprised how much steel is in a bridge or overpass structure.. sometimes (here in CA especially) its like the concrete is just there to cover the steel..but not as close a 3/4" to the surface no.

here is what Id do put a standard 3 coat stucco scratch, brown, finish and for the finish use a color coat in the color you would paint it..it will be done and you will never have to paint it again..

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Old 06-11-2007, 09:24 PM
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Hi Uno (JP).....can you give some detail of each part of your 3 coat stucco.....please?

or do I need to send around my Sicilian mate to sort you out
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Be interested as I'm nearly ready to stucco my dome (over 2inch insulating blanket) and it will be out in the weather.

Just not sure how thick to do each layer as I'm guessing you don't just do one stucco layer all up.

I'm guessing the mix is 4:1:1 (coarse sand - Portland cement - hydrated lime).

PS.... hope you don't mind a bit of Aussie humour
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:31 AM
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Hey Damon,

Generally (as I realize this is a worldwide forum) the steps for a 3 part stucco are:
Scratch coat- this just covers the tar paper and wire. how thick? I make it just thick enough to cover the wire completely (about 3/8") then "scratch" it to make the second coat bond better
Brown coat- this is the coat that will be the base "frosting" like on a cake you will want it nice and even and smooth "sponge float smooth"
Finish coat- this is your finish "frosting" depending on the product you use could be from 1/8" think up to 1/4" thick. it is applied (generally) with a very stiff sponge float at a consistency of....lets say slightly more dry than a white wash. If you have layed brick the finish/color coat is like a good mortar wetness then adding enough water to make it pourable..My brain is just not functioning at full capacity tonight. I can seem to describe this process in recognizable terms at all, I'm sorry. I hope this helps for now.
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:36 AM
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thanks Uno.....got me on track now
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Old 06-13-2007, 02:09 AM
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I spend another morning calling and asking for waterproof stucco. It seems there are still lots of stucco-opportunities here in Holland for the right entrepreneur.

In the end I found some real hitech (and waterproof) stuff which would cost me around 35 euros a bag (of 25 kg, of which I would need 4 bags). Nahhh.

After calling manufactures producing the average stucco I found that waterrepellant is NOT waterproof. And you can forget about coloured finish layers here in Holland as well.

Most stucco here in Holland is made up 2 layers, a basis and a finish although you can easliy apply just one layer if you think the first layer is smooth enough.

Here's what I did: I applied one layer of average stucco and made it nice and smooth. I will paint it with a high quality waterproof paint afterwards.

By the way there is some special stuff on the market here (called PUDLO) which if added will make mortar waterproof. You have to make the mortar yourself though (and it may not contain lime, which was the reason I did not use it because it would have made the mortar to rigid).

The recipe for a (not waterproof) stucco mortar that Bacterium (is that a special pizza you make?) gave sounds ok to me.

Any comments Uno?

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Old 06-14-2007, 05:55 PM
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The recipe for a (not waterproof) stucco mortar that Bacterium (is that a special pizza you make?)
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