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brokencookie 03-24-2008 12:35 AM

Interesting idea - passive particulate filter
 
One of the engineers where I work is planning a pompei oven build. ( I am not just a builder, I'm a pusher :rolleyes: ). He has come up with an interesting idea to create a passive particulate filter that would also cool the oven exhaust some. In a nut shell he wants to us a water spray over a speader in the chimney. We do this in the refinery on a large scale but the industrial version requires fans and pumps etc.

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Here is a real rough drawing of the idea. Normal water pressure would lead to a spray nozzle 2/3 up the chimney ( this could also be a water trickle rather than a spray. The water would flow over a peaked set of flue tiles and sheet down to a catch basin also made with flue tile. The basin would drain to a pipe on the outside of the chimney. This should make very little difference in the draw and clean 99% of the particulate. Of course he is an engineer ;) and my experience says that anything an engineer designs ends up working differently in the real world.
Has anyone seen or tried anything like this ?

Bruce

brokencookie 03-24-2008 12:40 AM

Re: Interesting idea - passive particulate filter
 
Sorry for that poor excuse of a diagram. I don't have and drawing tools handy so let me try to describe it a little better.

Think of water flowing over a tent ( hangin in the air). When the water reaches the bottom of the tent it sheets straight down to an angled catch basin. Kind of like stacking cups. There is sufficient space between the two cups to allow free vapor flow between the cups. Maybe like blowing smoke through a waterfall. I know the concept works, at least on an industrial scale, I am just not sure if a pizza oven produces enough draw to pull the vapors through the water curtain.

Bruce

Faz 03-24-2008 02:04 AM

Re: Interesting idea - passive particulate filter
 
I'd be concerned about a build up of salts/soot/particulate on the plates, because unless they are easy to extract and clean the build up will eventually impede gas flow and cause smoke to come out of the door.

I also know from experience that it is essential in industrial applications to make sure the water distribution is very evenly distributed around the circumference of the plates, otherwise you will not achieve very good abatement.

Sorry to sound like a bad news bear!

Would the cooler exhaust temperature also reduce draw?

brokencookie 03-28-2008 12:36 AM

Re: Interesting idea - passive particulate filter
 
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Originally Posted by Faz (Post 27384)

Would the cooler exhaust temperature also reduce draw?


He is taking about a 2 to 4 inch gap between the plates which should not reduce the draw ( in theory). I think he is assuming that the drains will draw down the particulate and he would have catch basins with "nasty" water that he would use to amend the acid soil in the area.
Personally, I think this is more trouble than it is worth. My observation of George's oven was that the burning is so complete that very little exits the oven but gases.
Engineers are a breed unto themselves. Everytime one of them gets an idea at work we smack him on the head until we pound some everyday common sense into him. I think I'll use a firebrick for effect.

Thanks for the input

Bruce

dmun 03-28-2008 07:21 AM

Re: Interesting idea - passive particulate filter
 
I think this is an interesting idea, and that your friend should be encouraged to develop it for use in smoke control areas, like those in the UK and California.

It might even be a commercial success, for things like fireplaces in ski areas.

It's true that a hot running oven doesn't produce visible smoke, but that's not true when it's starting up.

PizzaPolice 03-28-2008 07:43 AM

Re: Interesting idea - passive particulate filter
 
Wow! This is so crazy that I had to weigh in. I must first post this question on behalf of the regular folks here. WHY?
Ok. Now that that is out of the way, let's dream. Chances are you do not have some humongous 180 foot stack fitted with powerful blowers that is ripe for installation of scrubbers and precipitators. I'm guessing you have a normal 4-6 foot chimney like the rest of us. If I were on one of those cable shows where tree huggers attempt to save the environment, I would do this. Leave the natural flow alone and augment it with a commercial chimney blower. The flue gases would be directed into a chamber situated away from the chimney. There, you could conduct all manner of wizardry, witchie-poo and wetness without losing the integrity of your WFO. So there. I said it.

asudavew 03-28-2008 07:47 AM

Re: Interesting idea - passive particulate filter
 
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Originally Posted by PizzaPolice (Post 27780)
Wow! This is so crazy that I had to weigh in. I must first post this question on behalf of the regular folks here. WHY?
Ok. Now that that is out of the way, let's dream. Chances are you do not have some humongous 180 foot stack fitted with powerful blowers that is ripe for installation of scrubbers and precipitators. I guessing you have a normal 4-6 foot chimney like the rest of us. If I were on one of those cable shows where tree huggers attempt to save the environment, I would do this. Leave the natural flow alone and augment it with a commercial chimney blower. The flue gases would be directed into a chamber situated away from the chimney. There, you could conduct all manner of wizardry, witchie-poo and wetness without losing the integrity of your WFO. So there. I said it.

Why yes you did!
;)
So basically, we are talking about a water filter(bong) for our ovens?

:confused:

Never thought of filling it with cannabis.... A treat for the neighbors??
Followed by pizza!
Cuz I am sure my neighbors would all be hungry after a couple hours!
;)

Barberque boy 03-28-2008 08:00 AM

Re: Interesting idea - passive particulate filter
 
Now that was an enjoyable thread. Always trying to build a better mouse trap.

asudavew 03-28-2008 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Barberque boy (Post 27785)
Now that was an enjoyable thread. Always trying to build a better mouse trap.

I think we all go through it...

I know I did!

Inishta 03-28-2008 01:18 PM

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So basically, we are talking about a water filter(bong) for our ovens?


Perhaps something like this Dave.........not that we know what you're talking about.........:D

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