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Old 04-10-2008, 02:41 PM
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Grab ya a weed burner.
Hook it up to a propane tank.
And blow heat in.





I've done this, but it takes FOREVER to get any heat conducted into the bricks.

I've even used two at a time, max temps I could reach... about 350f after a couple hours.

Just don't leave it alone. They can blow out easily. Mine has blew out on numerous occasions.(before I quit using it)

In my opinion, wood is the only way to fly.!!!
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Old 04-10-2008, 08:41 PM
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I've got a gas burner for my oven. Works ok, you can give it an occasional blast, but I never use it any more. It was a burner from an old gas kiln I had of a similar interior volume. Made an inquiry once, about a burner for an oven, to a gas business and was informed it would cost around $2000 to supply and fit ! Hey aren't we all about WOOD fired ovens here ? Skip the gas idea..
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Old 04-10-2008, 09:42 PM
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OK, I have a question.....lets say you have a well planned, PROVEN SAFE, retrofit of a burner and regulating system for a WFO; what is the actual benefit?
Here is what I know based on the many times this issue has come up:

1) wood fires are not that hard to start with the proper kindling and seasoned hardwood for the actual fire.
2) A LOT of gas is required to heat an oven up to pizza temps and saturation...if in doubt inquire at any gas fire pizza oven restaurant.
3) It takes considerably longer to heat it with gas, it just DOES NOT get as hot as a "plasma" wood fire - hence the high gas consumtion. Commercial ovens run nearly constantly, so after the brief shutdowns there is still some retained heat that lessens the heat up to some extent.....the average home oven is fired, at most, a few times a week; so you will be heating up from the ambient temp every time.
4) If you just looking for a fire starter, the portable torches (plumbers torch) or the weed burners (if properly handled) can be effective, again be safe - don't leave it unattended or at any time have it pumping gas into the oven without being lit.
5) Any kind of enclosed oven, whether an altered Superior Clay or not, IS NOT the same as a gas barbeque or fireplace. I've never met anyone foolish enough to light their gas barbeque with the lid closed...unless your lifting the top half of your dome off, it is not the same venting effect.

Thats my thoughts, now please, someone/anyone give me a reason to go gas, other than you live in the desert where there are no trees or possibly live in a no fire area; neither of which are mentioned in this thread.

One last thought, I get the impression beleive is going to move forward with this, regardless of anyone's opinion and was hoping someone would give him their blessing and a proven method...I'm a bit worried we have chased him away and may someday soon see him on the news......Sure hope that isn't the case, we are not a bunch of tree burning nuts....we are just saying: be safe, be smart, and be efficient - you will have great pizza.

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Old 04-10-2008, 09:58 PM
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Here in Australia we are required by law to have the burner fitted by a qualified gas bloke. The burners are required to have a flame failure device incorporated. This will automatically cut off the gas supply should the flame fail. I've had a lot of experience with LPG pottery kiln with both legal and illegal burner set ups. Having recently learned how to maintain pizza cooking temp with a small wood flame at the back of the oven I would never bother with a gas burner again. I think we could have cooked pizzas all night the other day. It was suprising how little flame was required to maintain temp. Just occasional small sticks. Also made a D shaped piece of steel flat bar to hold a few coals to contain this little fire. curved part of the D sits against the bottom of the dome.
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Old 04-11-2008, 05:50 AM
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OK,get the picture,you all think Im stupid.Found alot of production home ovens are putting gas in them.So cant be only dumb person that thought of it.Anyway thank for help,I did build fire in my oven last night for first time,and no didnt use gas and yes Im still alive.Thanks
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Old 04-11-2008, 06:55 AM
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I'm afraid I started this pile-on. I'm sorry if I wrote anything that implied you are stupid. We're just afraid you're doing something unsafe, and unnecessary.

We've all eaten in those "brick oven" pizza joints with their little gas flames in the back of the dome, and eaten their five-minute-indistinguishable-from-deck-oven pizzas. Don't be deceived. Those are huge industrial burners with one-inch gasline feeds.

You can get way better results from a little bit of firewood.
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Old 04-11-2008, 08:30 AM
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Beleive,

We were just concerned.
And from experience... gas just doesn't perform well.

I just saw you live in Jasper. I used to live there. Three of my children were born in Lamar.
Small world......
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Old 04-11-2008, 11:58 AM
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Hey, I'm more guilty than anyone and was afraid I might piss off beleive or drive him away.....I'm fine with that as long as he thinks it through and stays safe. I'd rather someone be alive, not maimed, and pissed at me than keep my mouth shut and possibly see something terrible. I've worked with and sold serious tools most of my adult life - Too many lost fingers, hands, nails in the head, hands, legs, and a few major burn victims (my daughter included). I don't want to see that happen to someone with their backyard project - it should be a fun build, and wonderful after the cooking begins.


Beleive, nothing wrong with tossing around your ideas. REALLY, we have just tried to be helpful, not belittle or call your project stupid...my apologies if I came across that way.

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James, if you are reading this - I think this puts me at 500 posts.....man, I don't know how some of you have gotten near 1000 (or more) so quickly.
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:20 PM
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just so you know Im not mad or PO'd,guess all your replies must be working on me,Im going to forget about the burner deal and use wood only nothing else will save me money for now and guess Ill gain some experience working with wood.Thanks and do appreciate your opinions.
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:45 PM
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Thanks for putting up with us Beleive. We can get a little passionate.

Let us know how your oven works -- and make sure to posts photos, recipes, parties, etc.

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