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Derocherconstruction 05-27-2008 05:43 AM

Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
I am building an oven that is close to the Argentinian oven found in a link from this forum. I am at the point of putting in the chimney. The questions that I have are about the size of the chimney, it looks like they end up with a piece of 4" cast iron pipe, like what was used for years as sewer pipe. Also the chimney is in back, I'm thinking the entry to the chimney is going to be just about an inch below the door arch opening, enough to let the smoke out of the oven, not the door. I know this is not the prefered method, but it looks like he has cooked some great pizzas and breads, etc, and this design fits into my little deck area, and will look like what I want. Thanks for any help or suggestions, Jim

Jed 05-27-2008 09:46 AM

Re: Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
Jim,

How big is your oven? I don't have confidence that a 4" 'chimney' will provide enough draw to vent your oven well..

Although I don't recall which oven was modified, I remember reading about one of our forum members who replaced a 6" chimney with an 8" chimney and there was a noticeable improvement in performance; I don't recall that his was a big oven, just a regular size...

Good luck with this project, it sounds interesting, and do post pictures!

JED

dmun 05-27-2008 01:07 PM

Re: Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
Hi, Jim.

Chimneys in the back are always a bad idea. The design of pizza ovens is to establish a circular airflow where the heat from the fire heats the dome, instead of being vented directly out to the outside.

Having an undersized chimney in the wrong place will waste a lot of time, effort, and firewood.

Derocherconstruction 05-27-2008 05:42 PM

Re: Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
As I look out the window with a wind chill of about 35 degrees, I am glad I wrote a few things in the forum this morning. I really like the look of the oven that I was patterning from, but it seems pretty obvious that the Argentinian oven is the only one with this little angled back of the oven chimney. He also covered the firebrick with red clay brick and then stucco, no insulation from what I'm getting out of the posted pics. I am at a point of putting the right kind of chimney in the front without much of any tearing out things, that's where I ended last night was quessing at the chimney height and angle and size. The oven is 32" inside, and I am progressing to a height of 17" inside at this point. I have the floor done, and I am on the 5th course of firebrick now. I think I understand what you mean by the flow of the incoming air now that I think about it, it comes in and feeds the fire, heads to the back and on up to the front to exit? I sure would appriciate anyones advice and ideas at this point, as far as chimney sizes and what to put on the firebrick next to keep plugging along on this project. I spent a lot of time looking at the Argentinian oven and it looks like he cooks lots of great stuff, but I have read hundreds of the postings here, and I can tell it's time to listen up, there are a lot of you guys and gals that have done this and seen the good and the bad. I am a carpenter, and don't have any knowledge of pizza ovens other than what I have read and seen in the last few weeks, so I'll yell one more time - HELP! Thank you for any help or advice on this project, I know everyones time is valuable, this forum looks like a lot of great folks who help just for the good feeling of helping someone do things the proper way, and end up where the hope to get, Thanks, Jim

dmun 05-27-2008 07:07 PM

Re: Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
I'm glad you came here before you built it. If you need a chimney at the back, you can angle it back above the dome, code allows for two thirty degree bends in a chimney run. There is a long tradition of back-venting south American ovens. Someone is selling some from Uruguay on eBay right now. That doesn't mean that it is a good idea. In the medium to long run, either your oven is easy and fun to use, and you use it a lot, or it's slow, and cold, and wood hungry, and firing it up gets put off to rare occasions.

Good luck with your project. We don't know everything, but at least a lot of us speak from personal experience.

Dutchoven 05-27-2008 07:41 PM

Re: Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
derocher
did you insulate under the floor of the oven?...now would be the time to decide what to di if you did not...then the next step is to make sure that your door is the proper height in relation to the top of the dome...should be about 60 to 63%...so between 10 and 11 inches should be fine...other than that I think you can continue to build...always try to think the next step ahead...how will you handle the vent and then the flue system...insulating the dome...etc...
We're here to help!
Dutch

Derocherconstruction 05-27-2008 07:52 PM

Re: Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
The base is filled with broken concrete, then beach sand [ 3 - 4 in. ], then 4 in. of fire clay/portland cement mix, then the fire bricks on the flat. No perlite or other insulation like that. I will measure the door opening size that I formed up yesterday, I can change that easily, but the oven floor is set in stone pretty much... Any thoughts on the door opening size and chimney size? Thanks, Jim

gjbingham 05-27-2008 10:06 PM

Re: Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
I'd recommend breaking it apart and putting insulation under the floor. 4 inches minimum. I think you'll be very unhappy with the performance of your oven if you skip this vital step. A hot floor is paramount to cooking multiple pizzas or baking bread. Without the insulation, your heat will drain out to your slab and foundation as fast as you apply it with fire in the oven.

Frances 05-28-2008 02:43 AM

Re: Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
I'll chime in on this, too. If there is any possible way to put insulation under the floor, do it. Are the bricks of the floor cemented on to the fireclay postland mix? Otherwise it might be an idea to remove the bricks, add an insulation board and replace the floor... it'd make the floor higher, but maybe you could make the dome higher, too, and it would really really be worth the trouble!

dmun 05-28-2008 05:56 AM

Re: Argentinian oven chimney Help
 
You can lever up that floor, shop-vac out that worthless sand, and replace it with vermiculite concrete. Trust me, NOTHING will pay more than proper insulation. DO IT NOW while you have the chance.

Remember the Forno Bravo Forum mantra: Insulate! Insulate! Insulate!


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