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Old 06-25-2012, 09:22 AM
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There is no way around that, really.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:52 PM
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Russell,
I am not totally sure what you are describing. If you build a decorative face as I see in your drawing, buttressing can be as simple as laying up a decorative brick form and pouring it full of 5 to 1 vcrete. There are other options out there. If you can draw a top view, maybe myself and others can get a better perspective and a better answer .
I would separate the face brick from the outer arch as drawn with a heat break though.
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I your opinion, if I were to build a decorative brick buttress the width of the outer arch (say 4") and butted up against the outer arch would this be enough support or would I need to have a buttress the depth of the outer arch to the inner arch.
Russel,

What are you going to have behind (toward the dome) of the decorative brick? I had core's and dropped some steel in them. Really not sure if it was needed but I sleep well at night.
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:44 PM
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The reality is that the entry area gets massive amounts of heat from the exhaust gasses up the flue. A thermal break at the inner arch is a waste of time other than for residual heat. My idea was to insulate that area, and create a thermal break at the outer arch, although I minimized it at the inner arch as much as is practical.

For buttressing, the safe non-calculated method is twice the mass you are buttressing at a minimum.
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this did not occur to me until I started another course and did a trial cut, though well, I will bump up the bevel angle to compensate for the next course. Did not work, too much bevel angle, ended up reverting back to the same bevel angle to work. Lesson learned, well maybe..........
When you say the bevel angle I take that to mean the angle of the vertical joints - that should get bigger ok. I was talking about the angle from inside to outside which Dennis(deejayoh) has figured that the way to estimate the angle is to divide 180 by the number of bricks in that row. It sounds about right and that way the angles will get bigger as you get towards the top - i.e 180/32 = approx 6 for the bottom rows.
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Hey Russell,

How in the world did you get those nearly perfect angles on the cinder blocks for your wood storage area? I have been using an angle grinder with a diamond blade on it and it is not looking nearly as good as yours. Admittedly this is pretty much my first time ever using an angle grinder so my skills are not great but I hoped that they would look better than what I have done so far.

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Old 06-28-2012, 03:18 PM
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Hey Russell,

How in the world did you get those nearly perfect angles on the cinder blocks for your wood storage area? I have been using an angle grinder with a diamond blade on it and it is not looking nearly as good as yours. Admittedly this is pretty much my first time ever using an angle grinder so my skills are not great but I hoped that they would look better than what I have done so far.

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Sorry to jump on Nate and Russell, but try a diamond blade in a circular saw if you have one. REALLY loud and nasty, but makes smooth cuts without water.
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Russell and Tracy,

Thanks for the information. I hope either option is better than the angle grinder. It is tough.

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Russell,

It is looking great! So how many bricks did you buy if you don't mind me asking and do you think it will be enough? I bought 250 and I hope it is enough but who knows with all the cutting to make all the tight fits. Anyway, just curious.

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Follow up on the question about cutting your base cinder block. This morning I tried to get the wet saw I am borrowing from a friend but it is lent out so I went with Tracy's suggestion and bought a diamond blade for my circular saw and it was so EASY. Thanks again to both for the ideas.

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