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Xene 05-29-2012 10:36 AM

Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
I'm on my fourth course above soldier and I've got a problem with setback of the brick courses measuring as much as 1/4 of an inch in some places. The setback isn't exactly the same all the way around (its a little less in some spots) but I can no longer get the angle correct with the indispensable tool and have the lower edge of the brick line up with the upper edge of the last course. Is this normal? I'm having a hard time searching the forum and finding the correct search words to use to find my answer.

Here is my picture to illustrate the issue: http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/memb...ting-these.jpg

What do I have going wrong? Is the tool meant to be adjustable? I could cut the bricks in half at an angle to compensate for the difference, but I'm not feeling confident that is the best idea.

What to do? I'm a bit stuck as to how to proceed. Thanks for your help!!

Laku 05-29-2012 10:48 AM

Re: Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
If the indispensable tool is in the middle of the oven floor, and its position has not changed in any way (up,down or sideways) since you have started the build, then this should not happen. The angle should stay consistent throughout the whole build.

What's that thin bit of wood between your IT and the brick? It looks just the thickness of what your IT is off.

deejayoh 05-29-2012 10:54 AM

Re: Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
Xene -
If your IT is set in the center of the dome and you are working on a constant radius - then the angle the IT indicates for the brick is actually the halfway point between the angle of the chain you are setting and angle of the next chain.

So if you lined the top of the brick in the last chain with the IT - then you're going to be a bit ahead on your radius. I suspect that's what is causing the problem.

Xene 05-29-2012 10:57 AM

Re: Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
Ah ha, my IT is mounted to cardboard, which got wet and can now shift on the floor a bit. I was going to start with remounting it to a more solid foundation.

That thin bit of wood has been there from the start, as I had the husband make the tool for me and he didn't grasp the concept, so he had to add it in there for me.

You are right, if I remove that little piece, I can probably get it back into alignment. Would I be correct to assume that I probably wouldn't notice the adjustment if I took out that 1/4 inch?

Laku 05-29-2012 11:08 AM

Re: Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
Well, depends if the IT can still move after you remove it, and if it's at the correct distance on every side of the dome.

I'd mount it on a proper solid foundation and then check how much it would need adjustment. It needs to be exactly in the middle.

The angle discrepancy comes from what deejayoh described above.

Xene 05-29-2012 11:11 AM

Re: Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deejayoh (Post 132262)
Xene -
If your IT is set in the center of the dome and you are working on a constant radius - then the angle the IT indicates for the brick is actually the halfway point between the angle of the chain you are setting and angle of the next chain.

So if you lined the top of the brick in the last chain with the IT - then you're going to be a bit ahead on your radius. I suspect that's what is causing the problem.

I see, yes I'm lining each course with the top...and I could see I was getting further out of alignment with each level. Okay, I'm feeling better about how to proceed.

I think I will chip out that extra wood and work from there...get a more solid base for my IT to swivel on, and then make my alignments on center of brick instead of edge. Does that sound about right?

Laku 05-29-2012 11:16 AM

Re: Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xene (Post 132266)
and then make my alignments on center of brick instead of edge. Does that sound about right?

Or you could just add little more thickness between the swivel arm and the bit that goes on top of the brick so that the swivel arms end is at about the centre of the brick. From the looks of it about one piece of same thickness wood that it's made of.

deejayoh 05-29-2012 11:16 AM

Re: Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
Yes. That should work fine. Just make sure that the next course has the right amount of "free angle" above it when you set it - e.g., if you are tilting each brick 6 degrees, make sure you've got 3 degrees between the top of the brick and the IT. That may mean that your don't tilt the bricks at all on that course in order to correct your radius. Your dome will be slightly lower but that shouldn't be an issue.

GianniFocaccia 05-29-2012 01:05 PM

Re: Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
You may have to shave the face of each brick slightly to re-set the proper angle for subsequent courses. If you have to do this, don't worry: No one's (except for Les' maybe) oven is perfectly round throughout, and once your oven is completed you will never notice.

As Dennis knows, as successive courses become slightly out of round, a little face shave here and there goes a long way to getting back to round.

John

texman 05-29-2012 01:16 PM

Re: Trouble with setback on brick courses. Need advice.
 
Or, you can start over like me. (just kidding!!!)
Tracy


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