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Old 06-05-2010, 06:25 PM
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Yes, it does.
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Old 06-06-2010, 02:00 PM
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The soldier course is used to give a vertical wall at the perimeter. This is easier to clean and also increases the effective floor surface somewhat. Having said that, I agree that a half block soldier would give you most of this benefit and at the same time minimize the lateral force that starts with the first bevel course.
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Old 06-06-2010, 02:39 PM
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The vertical wall for the first 2 courses is certainly a good idea, I just question the use of soldiers.
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The vertical wall for the first 2 courses is certainly a good idea, I just question the use of soldiers.
That's exactly what I chose to do.
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Old 06-13-2010, 06:55 AM
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Greetings Gentlemen: Sorry this is a little off subject. But I am at the same point of the build. I am a bit confused. Pompeii Oven Instructions page 37 Ver. 2.0 suggests using the vertical full height soldier if you are building the Naples-style. I thought this was to give the vertical height quickly & the narrower 2.25 brickface looking into the oven would more closely track the circular perimeter. Since the oven will be assaulted with repeated heating & cooling extremes, I want to build as sturturally sound as possible. I have completed the hearth & will lay the initial vertical course atop the hearth bricks. I understand the first course should not be mortared to the hearth course due to expansion & contraction.

Is it structurally preferable to use four (4) chains of 1/2 bricks on the flat to obtain the initial vertical height equivalent to a full soldier course?

Another concern about construction is that the Heat Stop 50 recommends only 1/16-1/8 inch mortar width. The gap at the outer diameter of vertical soldiers is approximately .45 inches. Since my wet saw has a height limitation of amout 2.5 inches, I don't see an easy way to bevel the soldiers to close the gap. Has this been a problem? Do builders recomend the use of firebrick wedges to close the rear gap? Thin wedges of firebrick does seems a little brittle. Use of half bricks on the flat would take more time initially, but it would allow beveling each side of the brick to facilite a closer fit & less mortar at the rear. Since it looks like the builder is eventully confronts to a lot of bevel cutting anyway, whats a few hundred more cuts?? Anyway I would greatly appreciated the input of the experienced builders. Am I worrying about nothing?? Am anxious to proceed with the build. Initially though it might take weeks. Now its looking like months. Thank you for your advice. Glosta aka 7/8s

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Old 06-13-2010, 08:28 AM
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If you read through any of the number of threads here addressing each of your questions, you will find six builders doing it one way and half a dozen the other way. Tscarborough gave a great explanation of ideal mortar composition at different thicknesses. I think the consensus here is that there really is no right or wrong way, only different. This is what makes every oven so exciting to watch as it's built and completed: each one is unique and they all cook food wonderfully.
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Old 06-13-2010, 05:45 PM
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Since the oven will be assaulted with repeated heating & cooling extremes, I want to build as sturturally sound as possible.
That being the case, I don't know why you would want a soldier course at all. I think the full brick height one is particularly unsound structurally. I know it's traditional, but I can't think of any reason not to start your chains at ground level.
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:07 AM
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"I don't see an easy way to bevel the soldiers to close the gap."

Don't bother. Fill the larger gaps with mortar mixed 1:1 with silica sand or mortar sand.
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Old 06-16-2010, 09:14 PM
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If I build on top of the floor, would I use the fire clay and sand mixture on the bottom and homemade mortar brew between? Also, I see a lot of people using half bricks that are cut at all different angles. I want to just use half bricks without the extra cutting. Am I just being lazy or is it necessary?
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:55 AM
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"I want to just use half bricks without the extra cutting."

You can do this for the first several chains and fill the resulting gaps. As you move up the dome you will find that you will have "all gap and no brick" and will have to do some cutting. Start in on it and it will become clear what you have to do.
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