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Old 09-01-2013, 06:38 PM
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Looking good in. Still love your entry wide and very well built. Will look at your detail more when I get to this point. A way off at the moment.
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:42 PM
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Looking good in. Still love your entry wide and very well built. Will look at your detail more when I get to this point. A way off at the moment.
Thanks,
Any questions let me know. Although I think there is a lot more experienced help here on the forum. I'll try to help ya anyway I can.

Hope your boy has a great bday.


Ok Guys,
There seams to be some differing opinions going around........One reason I try to error on the side of caution.

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Didn't think that was necessary for a hemispheric arch.
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Unless the material the arch is made of is strong enough in tension you need to. Even a hemispherical arch still has force vectors not in line with the legs.


I'm incorporating a four inch rebar reinforced block buttressing wall on each side of my hemispherical arch. At the base of the arch a 2 1\2" void separation between block buttress wall, this will get larger as the arch curves. I plan to fill this with a vermiculite insulating concrete.

I did not feel comfortable leaving my arch un buttressed.
I think I should be able to sufficiently buttress my arch with the proper ratio mixed insulating concrete. I was thinking 6:1 vermiculite to Portland cement.

What are everones thoughts and suggestions?
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Ok Guys,
There seams to be some differing opinions going around........One reason I try to error on the side of caution.
Read this page, then the whole site.

If you have to buttress a semi circle arch then surely you would have to buttress a semi circle dome too?
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Read this page, then the whole site.

If you have to buttress a semi circle arch then surely you would have to buttress a semi circle dome too?
That page and site has a lot of interesting and helpful information. From my understanding of their description on that page they distinguish between a ‘circular dome’ and an individual arch by describing the additional circular force acting within the dome structure. While the dome cross section is essentially a semicircular arch, absent this circular force the stand alone arch is seemingly less stable and as Tscarborough mentioned above it should have some buttressing.

I buttressed my entry arch somewhat because I figured it needed it but more so because of my rudimentary masonry skills and fear that it could be weak because I didn't know what I was doing.
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:02 AM
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Read this page, then the whole site.

If you have to buttress a semi circle arch then surely you would have to buttress a semi circle dome too?
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That page and site has a lot of interesting and helpful information.

I buttressed my entry arch somewhat because I figured it needed it but more so because of my rudimentary masonry skills and fear that it could be weak because I didn't know what I was doing.
John,
I agree very good article good info, a little above my pay grade and my rudimentary skills also. I'll error on the side of safety. Hope to pour some insulating concrete around the arch today.
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:38 AM
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KB,

That sure is looking nice. How far from the real kitchen is the oven?

And remember if you turn out a marginal pie..... you might get a dunk in the pool from the recipients for not being a pizza master.
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:40 AM
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just read through your thread. Nice Build. and well done. Congrats.
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Read this page, then the whole site.

If you have to buttress a semi circle arch then surely you would have to buttress a semi circle dome too?
Not necessarily....there are infinite variables which factor into whether buttressing is needed or not.

One thing for sure, it won't hurt anything if a buttress is included in the build..good insurance.
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:16 PM
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The fact that you loaded the arch and removed the centering without a hinge failure proves you have enough thickness in your arch without adding a buttress. For your span of 20"....3"-3.5" thickness on your arch is sufficient.


That said, you won't go wrong if...

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Old 09-07-2013, 05:35 AM
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KB,

That sure is looking nice. How far from the real kitchen is the oven?

And remember if you turn out a marginal pie..... you might get a dunk in the pool from the recipients for not being a pizza master.
Thanks Chip,

The kitchen is across the pool in the house. Hopefully I can master the pie soon and avoid the dunk, I'm sure I will with everyone expert advice.

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just read through your thread. Nice Build. and well done. Congrats.
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Thanks Texman,
Coming from a master builder like yourself,that means a lot.

I like your outer decorative arch I hope to do something similar. I noticed that there is no over lap of the outer vent arch and you have no smoke stains outside of the oven. I was considering having a over lap to avoid stains. The draw of the chimney must be the key.

Hope to put a fire in her soon.

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The fact that you loaded the arch and removed the centering without a hinge failure proves you have enough thickness in your arch without adding a buttress. For your span of 20"....3"-3.5" thickness on your arch is sufficient.


That said, you won't go wrong if...



There is wisdom in caution.
Thanks Stonecutter,
I really appreciated all your advice and wisdom.


Ok Guys,

I poured the insulating/buttressing concrete yesterday. I think I should be able to remove form boards today. How soon can I put a fire in her. I'm getting anxious.
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