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Cheesesteak 03-09-2011 11:21 AM

Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
So - I'm debating whether to dedicate the time to build the Pompeii - or to pick up a Casa modular oven to save time.

Around 3-4 years ago - I built a WFO . . . a modular oven from another supplier. We absolutely loved the oven - nothing like a 90 second pizza!

Anyway - we've moved. Built our home and I've spent quite a bit of time on home projects (epoxying garage floors, garage cabinets, outdoor seating walls, firepit, etc.) Prior to our move - I spent the better part of a year building our outdoor kitchen, fireplace, and WFO.

I'm building another WFO - but am thinking about getting the Casa so I don't need to spend my spring (three young kids that are active with sports, etc) working in the yard "again." I'd really like to build a pompeii - just to say I did it (and to save some $$) - but really would love the time saved by assembling the modular.

Any thoughts? Once you get the masonry shelf poured - how long does it take to build the pompeii? I'm an amateur mason - and likely wouldn't go through the trouble of making complex cuts (mortar is your friend!).

Oh the humanity . . .

ThermoJax 03-10-2011 12:53 PM

Re: Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
Having just completed my pompeii in december, my vote is for the modular. I just spent time this last Saturday speaking with a pizza vendor who has a mobile wood fired pizza oven made by "the fire within", that apparently uses the forno bravo modular ovens. Anyway, the modular heats up quicker, with less logs. I think that might have to do with the thinner refractory skin, as opposed to a dome of 1/2 firebrick. I saw him about 3 pm , and he had a fire going all day, but only had about 2 logs. The infrared thermometer showed about 680 F on the floor and over 1000 F on the dome.

If I could do it again, I would do modular. The intricate cuts were fun, but go modular and get cooking all that much sooner.


Good Luck

Cheesesteak 03-10-2011 01:21 PM

Re: Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThermoJax (Post 109361)

If I could do it again, I would do modular. The intricate cuts were fun, but go modular and get cooking all that much sooner.

Good Luck

Thanks for the reply Thermojax. How much time did it take to build it from brick? I'd be doing it a couple of hours per night - and on weekends. I'll have to dig out pics of my old oven - nice thing was the floor and dome were up in one day.

Cost is also a factor. I'd use the Casa2G 100 (40" oven) - which runs $2400 + $400 or so shipping + around $200 tax = $3000. Seems like the brick route would be less than $1000 . . .

dmun 03-10-2011 03:27 PM

Re: Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
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Once you get the masonry shelf poured - how long does it take to build the pompeii?
You can do it in three weeks if you get help from friends, or you can take five years like I did. This is an elastic number, particularly dependent upon the elaborateness of your enclosure.

Ken524 03-10-2011 08:03 PM

Re: Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
If I ever move, I'll buy the kit. Building the Pompeii was great fun and very rewarding but it messed up my elbow and shoulder (all better now).

If you could put a monetary value on your time, buying the kit is probably cheaper.

DaveW 03-11-2011 06:38 AM

Re: Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
First I want to send out my prayers to everyone in Japan.
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It took me about a month to build our dome and flue transition but I enjoyed every minute of it.

At the same time I think I could build another one much more quickly. Have you seen the slideshow in this thread?....

http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/s...ion-12854.html

If I wanted to go fast, I would not cut my floor bricks except at the entrance. I would set my soldier course and entryway on the floor, build the opening arches under foam forms, and hand set the first few chains. Then, taking a page from the above thread, I would fill it with sand and shape the dome. Except, I might cover the sand with wet newspaper to prevent the sand from wicking out moisture and sticking to the mortar. Next I would mortar in the bricks one at a time cutting as necassary but not worry about filling in the entire gaps between bricks. I am not sure of the mix used by Ferrara but after the dome was complete I would mix up a homebrew batch of refractory mortar with pourable grout instead of portland cement and pour it over the dome as in the slideshow.

I am thinking one day for the floor, soldier course, entryway arch supports, and pre halfing /thirding of some of the bricks. Another day for the entry arches and first few chains. And a third day for the sand and dome.

Of course this assumes nothing goes wrong.

Dave

Mike D 03-22-2011 08:35 PM

Re: Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
I am still building my oven, it's lots of fun but it will consume your time and mind until you are done. You need to ask yourself how much time you have to do this and when do you want to finish it. Do you have small children? I do and they are not helping it go any faster. I like reading the treads with the older kids helping out with the concrete and blocks. As well as how much of a perfectionist are you. A Pompeii oven is not easy and if you don't know what you are doing it might drive you crazy. A modular oven will go up a lot faster but it will only look different from the inside. Good luck.

Mike

Cheesesteak 03-23-2011 11:54 AM

Re: Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 109981)
I am still building my oven, it's lots of fun but it will consume your time and mind until you are done. You need to ask yourself how much time you have to do this and when do you want to finish it. Do you have small children? I do and they are not helping it go any faster. I like reading the treads with the older kids helping out with the concrete and blocks. As well as how much of a perfectionist are you. A Pompeii oven is not easy and if you don't know what you are doing it might drive you crazy. A modular oven will go up a lot faster but it will only look different from the inside. Good luck.

Mike

MIke - that's really my problem. I've built a modular WFO and my "old" house - and really wanted to build a pompeii. But - given my weekends for the next 2-3 months are consumed with my son's traveling baseball commitment - and the real desire to have the WFO done for this summer - it looks like a modular is in my future.

I'd like to get thoughts on the different manufacturers and sizes - I'm looking at the Casa2G 36, 40, and 44.

My old oven was a 32" - and it was too small given the amount of use we'd put it through (60-100 pizzas per-party!).

Thanks -

Mike D 03-23-2011 05:45 PM

Re: Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
I think it might be in bad taste to talk about other manufactures. But as in what size, there is a lot of talk about that on the forum.

- How much space do you have? How much wood do you have. The bigger the oven the more wood you will need and go through.

-If you make that many pizzas in one party you need a bigger oven than 32" , but you knew that. In reality, one never has more than 2 or 3 pizzas in the oven at one time, unless you have an army working at the oven.

-I would say a 40 or 42 would give you plenty of room to do what ever you want. I gives you room for lots of pizzas as well as leaving some spots open to heat up (as in rotate your pizzas to keep the floor hot).

Mike

Cheesesteak 03-28-2011 01:08 PM

Re: Debating between Pompeii and Modular build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 110053)
I think it might be in bad taste to talk about other manufactures. But as in what size, there is a lot of talk about that on the forum.

- How much space do you have? How much wood do you have. The bigger the oven the more wood you will need and go through.

-If you make that many pizzas in one party you need a bigger oven than 32" , but you knew that. In reality, one never has more than 2 or 3 pizzas in the oven at one time, unless you have an army working at the oven.

-I would say a 40 or 42 would give you plenty of room to do what ever you want. I gives you room for lots of pizzas as well as leaving some spots open to heat up (as in rotate your pizzas to keep the floor hot).

Mike

First point well taken.

I've got plenty of space - and wood's not really an issue. It's just a question of trying to hit the sweet spot with oven size.

With my 32" WFO - I had the my wood cut smaller and double split. The pizza-parties were an "assembly line." Mostly neighborhood kids - and they would start at one end of the line rolling out dough - making the pizza, etc. I'd man the oven and the pizzas took less than 2 minutes to cook. By the time I was taking one pizza out with the metal peel - another was handed to me on the wood peel.

So - while it was "big enough" to do that job - I really want to make bigger pizzas - and want to do a bit more roasting. I'm thinking the 40" Casa2G might be in my future - but I'm still talking with the FB folks about a couple of things . . .


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