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Old 03-28-2011, 03:15 PM
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So - I'm debating whether to dedicate the time to build the Pompeii - or to pick up a Casa modular oven to save time.

Around 3-4 years ago - I built a WFO . . . a modular oven from another supplier. We absolutely loved the oven - nothing like a 90 second pizza!

Anyway - we've moved. Built our home and I've spent quite a bit of time on home projects (epoxying garage floors, garage cabinets, outdoor seating walls, firepit, etc.) Prior to our move - I spent the better part of a year building our outdoor kitchen, fireplace, and WFO.

I'm building another WFO - but am thinking about getting the Casa so I don't need to spend my spring (three young kids that are active with sports, etc) working in the yard "again." I'd really like to build a pompeii - just to say I did it (and to save some $$) - but really would love the time saved by assembling the modular.

Any thoughts? Once you get the masonry shelf poured - how long does it take to build the pompeii? I'm an amateur mason - and likely wouldn't go through the trouble of making complex cuts (mortar is your friend!).

Oh the humanity . . .
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Once the shelf is poured it can be anything up to 3 weeks before you complete your build. It is entirely up to you how much time you give to the project on evenings and weekends. Don't feel daunted by the task of building a "Pompeii" oven as there are many WFO guru's on this forum who will help you in every stage of your build. Many are experts and others are well experienced in this field to offer support and advice when needed.

I am limited in my experience but try to offer advice where I can to a group of WFO enthusiasts in Northern Europe. We had a person who was a tradesman in Fabrication and welding who wanted to build a Pompeii oven and his comment to us was ....." I'll just have to learn as I go on"

He surprised us all with this build... Picasa Web Albums - Charlie - Wood Fired Oven

I am a bricklayer by trade but the most impressive builds that I have seen have been built by people outside the wet trades industries....

.....Go for a Pompeii.....you won't regret it !!!

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Old 03-28-2011, 05:05 PM
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You should cut out a template of the floor to size them up. This is a great way to see how much room you will have when cooking. Go to a art supply store and get a few pieces of cardboard. Cut one of your old oven 32" and another 40" or 42" to see what they feel like.

You don't usually make big pizzas in these ovens mostly because of how big the opening is (19"-20").

But I say if you want to build a Pompeii you should do it. Think of it as a family project. It's not about the money, it's about saying you actually built it the old school way.

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Old 03-28-2011, 05:57 PM
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Go to a art supply store and get a few pieces of cardboard
Great idea! But you don't have to spend any money on the materials.

If you have a Sam's or Costco in town go visit (you don't even need a membership) one and grab a couple of thick paper liners that they place between layers of paper towels/napkins etc. I usually pick up three or four at a time and have used them as templates for my oven floor and arch mock ups. They're easier to cut than cardboard and totally disposable.
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Old 03-31-2011, 02:25 PM
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Okay - well . . . it's settled - I'm going to build the Pompeii.

I've built the modular already anyway - so I might as well go Pompeii and say I did it.

I'll start up a new thread on the build - and I'll post some pics of the modular project with my outdoor fireplace and kitchen - just because.

Wish me luck.
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Old 03-31-2011, 04:52 PM
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Well that decision was quick. Went to ask the same question and you had already asked. I think I am going to build a 36" Pompeii as that fits within general fire code, and I don't want issues down the road.

Now my question is whether to buy the kit with all the fancy insulation, or source locally.
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Old 03-31-2011, 08:20 PM
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Go for it Cheesesteak, now all you have to do is read though all the threads to figure out how you want to build it. Make a good plan and don't be afraid to change it as you move forward.

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Well that decision was quick. Went to ask the same question and you had already asked. I think I am going to build a 36" Pompeii as that fits within general fire code, and I don't want issues down the road.

Now my question is whether to buy the kit with all the fancy insulation, or source locally.
Where in CA are you??

The HC Muddox plant is right down the road from me (20 minutes away) - they make all the brick/clay flue stuff you'd need. I already hit them up for firebricks for my firepit - still have 70 or so left over.

And - you can just order the insulating board and blanket from FB - although it it looks like Fiberfrax is a good supplier too (might be the same stuff). I'd like to find it local to avoid shipping costs.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:19 PM
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Where in CA are you??

The HC Muddox plant is right down the road from me (20 minutes away) - they make all the brick/clay flue stuff you'd need. I already hit them up for firebricks for my firepit - still have 70 or so left over.

And - you can just order the insulating board and blanket from FB - although it it looks like Fiberfrax is a good supplier too (might be the same stuff). I'd like to find it local to avoid shipping costs.
I'm in SoCal, I called around to the local yards and it seems each one carries different brand brick, prices range from $1.15 for Pacific Clay, $1.48 for Mutual, and $3.75 for McNear bricks. Does anybody have experience with any of these manufacturers?

I would jump on the FB kit due to the large floor tiles and medium duty bricks, but the freight shipping kills it even in-state, which is now 3 times their original reduced rates. Regarding the board and blanket, from reading the old threads, the FB stuff is reportedly made in China. I put a call into a local industrial thermal solutions supplier RTI and they have a house (import) brand 24" ceramic blanket in 1" and 2" thickness, and 2'x4' ceramic board in many thickness's, both of which are roughly 1/2 the price of FB. They also carry Unifrax DuraBoard which is double the cost of import and DuraBlanket which is roughly 150% the price of the import. So it's either buy American for the same price and amount of insulation as the Pompeii kit, or move up to 4" all the way around for same money with the house brand import stuff.
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Regarding bricks, I did some more Google searching and found a group of aggregated posts (Link) from a guy who run's a well known Rumford fireplace company and he said the that between Muddox, Pacific Clay, Mutual, etc. that Alsey bricks are the best. According to him the ASTM standards for Firebrick was reduced and Alsey is the only one who makes bricks that meet or beat the old standard. There regular bricks are Medium-Duty, they don't even make a light duty brick. I am going to try an find a distributor down here, before I settle on an alternative.

From looking on Alsey's site they private label firebricks, in searching a previous FB poster found them under the Robinson name. Does anybody know if Alsey makes the FB bricks??

Anyhow just thought I would share the info. Considering the time invested in building the thing might as well try and use the best material possible.
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Regarding bricks, I did some more Google searching and found a group of aggregated posts (Link) from a guy who run's a well known Rumford fireplace company and he said the that between Muddox, Pacific Clay, Mutual, etc. that Alsey bricks are the best. According to him the ASTM standards for Firebrick was reduced and Alsey is the only one who makes bricks that meet or beat the old standard. There regular bricks are Medium-Duty, they don't even make a light duty brick. I am going to try an find a distributor down here, before I settle on an alternative.

From looking on Alsey's site they private label firebricks, in searching a previous FB poster found them under the Robinson name. Does anybody know if Alsey makes the FB bricks??

Anyhow just thought I would share the info. Considering the time invested in building the thing might as well try and use the best material possible.
Note: FWIW, the medium and high duty bricks wear blades a lot faster, and cut slower, than light duty bricks, which is all you need. The significant difference between the low and medium duty bricks, in our application, is their ability to accomodate high temperatures -something unnecessary at the tempertures you will use in your oven. Money wasted.
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