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jamey777 09-01-2010 09:12 AM

Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
Hello everyone!

I am a potential future pompeii owner :-)

I am in Florida, and the shipping is too prohibitive to have a Cucina stand shipped out, but I know a good local welder who could easily build one. Some questions:

1) Can it handle the weight of the 36" Pompeii? (assuming the welder uses good quality metal, I would assume you can put a few tons on it)

2) I currently have a brick paver patio, its on top of typical packed earth, hasn't shifted in the 5 years I have had it. Do I need to pull up bricks and pour a slab or can I put the stand right on the pavers? Another option is to pour a half slab and have the oven half on / half off the pavers.

I will be doing the outdoor kitchen using extruded aluminum and hardy backing as the local builders tend to do here.

Once I get pricing from some local masons (I can handle a lot of it but don't want to build the actual oven) I will know whether I am going to build a pompeii or ship the 32 inch pre-fab from California.

It's a shame they don't have a warehouse in the eastern part of the country, since it looks like I can hire a mason to build a larger pompeii for me cheaper than shipping a prefab from CA.

Thanks,

Jamey
St Augustine FL

nissanneill 09-01-2010 06:22 PM

Re: Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
Hi jamey and welcome aboard.
Yes, freight can be a killer as I have found on numerous occasions. I don't know where they get their pricing from but it is scary!!!!
Why not look at local suppliers and build your own, much cheaper and much more satisfying to have done it yourself.
Putting it on a base that will be movable - good idea especially if you move and want yo take it with you.
A 36" Pompeii will consume around 250-300 bricks and if you design your stand frame with good insulation board rather than cement and vermiculite, should come in at around 1000lbs. A good wide perimeter base will handle that load easily but if you have it on 4 legs, well I would put a better foundation under the legs, maybe lift out a few bricks, drill/dig some holes, taper them out at the bottom and concrete fill them.
Good luck and enjoy.

Cheers.

Neill

jamey777 09-02-2010 09:47 AM

Re: Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
The stand doesnt' need to be mobile because I will be building it in to a kitchen. It was just my way of doing a little less work and having less weight on the pavers.

It would be much easier to put some footers in (they sell them premade at the hardware stores) than to pour a slab. Need to take into account the height difference.

Thanks for the input!

dmun 09-02-2010 10:29 AM

Re: Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
Quote:

It would be much easier to put some footers in (they sell them premade at the hardware stores)
Do you have a link or a picture on this? A ready made footer is not a concept I've run into before.

fxpose 09-02-2010 10:56 AM

Re: Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
Erecting a block wall stand would probably cost you less and will not involve much work incorporating into your kitchen setup.

jamey777 09-02-2010 11:21 AM

Re: Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
Dmun, no picture but essentially they are precast footers for decks or columns of outdoor covered roofs. I would assume that would work.

FXpose, I am in general trying to avoid pouring a slab since I already have the paver patio. I am pretty sure I can get the stand for a very good price as my best friends dad probably will only let me pay for materials.

If it doesn't work out I will end up doing a slab & concrete block setup.

Jamey

eprante 09-02-2010 03:14 PM

Re: Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
Jamey,
Build the oven yourself. I never laid a brick before doing my oven. The foundation slab and oven stand I would contract out if I ever do it again but the oven is a very satisfying task- and all of your friends will be really impressed
Eric

Tman1 09-03-2010 06:06 PM

Re: Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
Jamey/Dmun,

Are the concrete footers your referring to 'deck blocks'? I searched Bing and came up with few images but still a newbie.

jamey777 09-07-2010 06:29 AM

Re: Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eprante (Post 98362)
Jamey,
Build the oven yourself. I never laid a brick before doing my oven. The foundation slab and oven stand I would contract out if I ever do it again but the oven is a very satisfying task- and all of your friends will be really impressed
Eric

Ok, going to follow the wisdom of the forums and do cinder block. Its interesting that I feel like I could build that part fine but not the arch/doorway bit on the actual oven. Its interesting that you found the reverse to be true.

Was it just the physical labor or what?

I outsourced my paver patios to brazilians and to watch them get it done in one day when it would have taken me a week was just as satisfying as if I could say I did it myself. :-)

Jamey

dmun 09-07-2010 08:24 AM

Re: Considering a Pompeii, would the Cucina stand work?
 
Quote:

Are the concrete footers your referring to 'deck blocks'?
I've looked these up, they are 45 pounds, the weight of 3/4 of a bag of sakcrete. They are designed to sit on the lawn to support decks. I can see why they don't sell them around here: they wouldn't begin to meet code. Maybe you could support a deck with them in warm climates, but an oven?

Consider me skeptical.

http://www.lennon2.com/photos/dekblocks400.jpg


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