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Mongo 07-11-2007 08:02 PM

Alternative Designs For Tight Spaces
I was wondering if anyone had experimented with any alternative designs (for tight spaces) like an oval design or perhaps a twin oven design (with a connection for one fire between the two) or maybe even a couple small ovens stacked vertically? Reason I ask is I don't have a lot of space for a huge circular oven, but I need more space for cooking 15" pizzas than just a 36" or 42" oven can handle...I guess what I'm saying is my kitchen has a lot more length than depth so what can I do (besides expand). I simply can't fit a 48" or bigger oven in there (all measurements are inside diameter - but I am factoring in overall size of hearth/stand). Ideas? Experiences? Photos? Advice?

wlively 07-12-2007 06:47 AM

Re: Alternative Designs For Tight Spaces
If you need bigger, would seem to me that the barrel vault design would be best. You can make it as long as you want, within reason of course.

Just remember bigger means bigger longer fire as well.

DrakeRemoray 07-12-2007 08:37 AM

Re: Alternative Designs For Tight Spaces
Well, the Artigiano 120 that James sells is oval shaped, so I am sure you could build an oval oven if you wanted to...

dmun 07-12-2007 09:25 AM

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My standard answer to the huge oven question is to build two. You could use one for everyday use, and another for high demand time or parties. They could be stacked, but that would leave one or both at an less-than-ideal cooking height.

Mongo 07-12-2007 09:58 AM

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Some good ideas here. I thought of the barrel vault design but it gets such negative press here I think I'm gun shy on that one. I'm pretty tall so less than ideal cooking height is usually ideal for me;) Only thing with two is it means two fires and even if you leave one off, by the time you get the rush, fire it up and start cooking, the rush is over. Of course if you knew ahead of time (as in a private party or whatever) that would be a different story.

Sounds like oval is a possibility. Not sure how slim one can get away with here and also where the fire and/or doors should be placed in an oval. Thoughts?

My idea about having two ovens side by side would be two leave a connection between the two - kind of like conjoined twin ovens (ok maybe a bad visual there) or a pair of breasts (way better visual!). I thought if I put a sliding, guillotine type door between the two I could run them on one fire. Idea being when only using one the door would be down but when using two you would raise that door and have the fire in the middle feeding both ovens? I'm not sure if this would work or not though and obviously it's twice the space of say a single 36" oven vs a double 36" oven so one would gather twice the fire.

I guess overall I'm gunshy period as I don't wanna spend a chunk of change on hard to find firebricks (where I am they are) only to find my design doesn't work. Sigh haha.

Kemo 07-12-2007 11:35 AM

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i think if you had doors on the could have a shared heat source in the middle. what about exhaust? Would you have 2 of those as well?

has anyone combined a fireplace with pizza oven using the same exhaust in a tight spot?

Mongo 07-12-2007 12:10 PM

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Ya I would put doors on the ovens. I could exhaust each seperately or they could exit each oven straight, then 45 degree over to one exhaust pipe I think. Not sure if this creates a creasote problem though (being on the angle).

Looks like these are my choices so far:

- Barrel Vault with doors on the long side?
- Slim Oval with one or two doors on the long side
- a couple 36" ovens stacked vertically with seperate fires in each
- a couple 36" ovens side by side horizontally with seperate fires
- a couple 36" ovens joined side by side horizontally with a combined fire chamber

or find a way to go for the big oven (48 - 54" internal) somehow (least feasible with my space).

wlively 07-12-2007 04:06 PM

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I think the twin oven is one to scratch off. As described a fire in the middle would not effeciently heat both. It may work if both ovens are very small, but that is not what you are describing. Then operating both on two chimneys would be difficult. Depending on heat differential and the way the convection currents set-up one vent will definitely be "favored" over the other.

If you must have the twin oven, then it would seem to me the best idea is to build them as completely seperate and individual. BUT, you could share the joining wall, by interlocking the same side bricks, or using half size and butting them next to each other, so that in total you have the same thickness. Now of course, you will loose this ability as the dome increases in hieght if you stay with the standard plans. I don't know the effect on efficiency, but I don't think it would be terrible to have the shared wall verticle, making each a 3/4 dome. Obviously a compromise, but you are already starting at one already. You then build fires in each one against that "common wall" and each wall would share in the heat generated.

Mongo 07-12-2007 06:08 PM

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Ya all good points. Probably right, when you try and compromise the design you may end up compromising it's performance (and end product results). One thing I didn't think of though is maybe one of those rotating ovens like the Twister. That eliminates the need for a big honking peel and thus takes up less space overall as you have to factor that in unless you have employees that enjoy pain;)

Dutchoven 07-12-2007 06:45 PM

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Well...difficult question. My questions would be
1. What are you going to be cooking in these ovens...primarily?
2. How tight a space are you talking about?
3. Would you have to construct a flue from scratch or do you have one existing?

Twin ovens are not a new a matter of fact most old french bakeries had twin ovens but...were fired with a separate firebox. You may be able to stack your ovens with possibly one as a "white" oven above and a "pompeii" below.

Let me know on those things and I might be able to steer you in a good direction. Check out my posting on the new oven design on the forum. Might be something of what you are looking for.

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