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conroyt2000 04-30-2013 07:36 AM

36" Walthamstow Wood Fired Oven (UK)
 
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hi,
this weekend i made a start on my wood fired oven, poured reinforced slab in the back garden and have materials to get the block walls and suspended slab done over the next couple of weeks.
the design is based upon the FB pompeii oven plans and info from this forum and one in the UK.
I have got hollow blocks which i plan to dry lay and fill cores with concrete and rebar which will then tie into suspended slab.
my first question is do people recommend adding a dpc in addition to the dpm below the foundation slab, if so what level should it go in at - if it goes above first course then there is no continuity of the reinforced cores (i.e. the first course will be hollow and not tied into upper blocks).
once the suspended slab has been poured i was planning to use a insulation board rather than pouring insulation - the garden is small and no access so i have to barrow through the house, along with the improved performance?
any tips/advice is greatly appreciated!

cheers

toby

Gulf 04-30-2013 04:50 PM

Re: 36" Walthamstow Wood Fired Oven (UK)
 
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Originally Posted by conroyt2000 (Post 151467)
hi,
this weekend i made a start on my wood fired oven, poured reinforced slab in the back garden and have materials to get the block walls and suspended slab done over the next couple of weeks.
the design is based upon the FB pompeii oven plans and info from this forum and one in the UK.
I have got hollow blocks which i plan to dry lay and fill cores with concrete and rebar which will then tie into suspended slab.
my first question is do people recommend adding a dpc in addition to the dpm below the foundation slab, if so what level should it go in at - if it goes above first course then there is no continuity of the reinforced cores (i.e. the first course will be hollow and not tied into upper blocks).
once the suspended slab has been poured i was planning to use a insulation board rather than pouring insulation - the garden is small and no access so i have to barrow through the house, along with the improved performance?
any tips/advice is greatly appreciated!

cheers

toby

The plastic under your foundation will help protect wood storage area. A second layer (of some type) should be placed on top of your finished concrete hearth just for extra measure. This Moisture barrier should be just below any hearth insulation that you pour or install. This moisture barrier can be more plastic, a painted layer of moisture proof masonry paint, a scrap piece of vinyl floor covering, etc., etc.

Just Sayin'
That translates to just in my opinion :).

Kurtloup 04-30-2013 04:54 PM

Re: 36" Walthamstow Wood Fired Oven (UK)
 
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Originally Posted by Gulf (Post 151506)
A second layer (of some type) should be placed on top of your finished concrete hearth just for extra measure. This Moisture barrier should be just below any hearth insulation that you pour or install.

Now you tell me. :)

Gulf 04-30-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurtloup (Post 151507)
Now you tell me. :)

Sorry Kurt,
Let me qualify my statement, from above :o.
That is something that I wish now that I had of done! Mine is set in a retaining wall. I retrofitted a French drain to help guard against the water wicking. That simple layer above the finished concrete hearth would have helped me avoid all of that. I don't really think it is that necessary for an oven totally above grade. But it can't hurt :).

Sorry for the confusion.

conroyt2000 05-01-2013 12:38 AM

Re: 36" Walthamstow Wood Fired Oven (UK)
 
thanks for yiour responses.
i guess that i will bed this under a levelling screed before i place the insulation board - is there any risk of this melting?
couple more questions if possible!
i wasn't planning on using a preformed lintel/angle iron, rather to either span the front with sufficiently rigid slab or pour a insitu lintel when i am filling the cores - does this sound like a bad idea?
finally, have people installed a threshold to the wood store area to prevent water coming in, if so what is a good solution?

thanks in advance

conroyt2000 05-07-2013 07:53 AM

Re: 36" Walthamstow Wood Fired Oven (UK)
 
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Made some more progress over the weekend. planning on getting formwork built, rebar installed and hearth slab poured this weekend (unless i become a father between then - wife is 39 weeks pregnant). then had plenty of bbqs and practiced by sourdough baking in anticipation of the oven being completed!
spoke to a structural engineer at work last week and he seemed pretty happy that a lintel wasn't necessary provided i kept the rebar as low as possible (with sufficient cover) in the hearth slab.
have sorted the doorway as found an old door lining i can cut down to size.
the site is very crampt which means i have to get a bit inventive with the logistics and double/triple handle things. i imagine that this will become more tricky once i get onto the oven itself.
have been looking at the dome construction and was wondering about brick sizes and cutting. standard sizes here seems to be 230mm x 115mm by either 38mm or 53mm or 65mm. i have a tile saw (cut depth around 38mm) a small angle grinder and a very large heavy duty grinder. i was thinking that i could use the largest size brick in the lower sections and then use a 'thinner' brick in the upper sections where more cuts are needed - this would allow me to cut full bricks as required for the build. has anyone done anything similar and does this create more issues than solves? can't seem to get hold of the brick saws used in a lot of the builds in the states, generally the blades are enclosed creating a max depth of circa 40mm or get a large (expensive) brick saw which is a bit too heavy duty and massive to go in my back garden!

thanks in advance

toby

boerwarrior 05-07-2013 12:43 PM

Re: 36" Walthamstow Wood Fired Oven (UK)
 
Hi Toby

your base looks solid! I am a few weeks ahead of you, having completed my base and almost ready to start building the oven.

I used a brick arched "lintel" but I think you will be fine with a concrete lintel. Just make sure it is at least 4" thick and use plenty of rebar.

I can't imagine having to carry all material through the house! I guess we're a little spoiled here in the US (I live on 5 acres)

I'll be following your build. Good luck! If there is any way you can get hold of a wet saw with a 10" diamond blade you will be very happy. I can cut a firebrick in half in about 15 seconds

My build is at:
http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/3...nia-19283.html

Neil

Bookemdanno 05-08-2013 05:40 AM

Re: 36" Walthamstow Wood Fired Oven (UK)
 
Hi Toby! Another Uk Based builder here!

Good luck with your build and check out...

UK Wood-Fired Oven Forum - Home

I used a tile wetsaw for my cuts, going round all four sides and snapping with a bolster. Then place the cut face outermost, where it'll be covered in many other layers.
Didn't use firebricks but it should work. Keep an eye on the Ebay or Freecycle for parts and saws. Occasionally a good-un turns up! If you want to do full tapered cuts, then a tilesaw won't help much. I'd say that different sized bricks would help too. Not sure of quantities though. Kilnlinings offer discounts to UKWFOForum members too.
Good luck!

conroyt2000 05-13-2013 09:35 AM

Re: 36" Walthamstow Wood Fired Oven (UK)
 
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got the suspended slab poured at the weekend.
now need to wait to get the firebricks and insulation (hopefully end of May).
fingers crossed the formwork comes off alright.
planning on buying a cheap abrasive chop saw now (not wet saw) so that i can get the cuts done well for the dome - i've come this far so i want to have a go at minimising the exposed mortar...famous last words.

going to get on with decking and moving the garden sheds around.
think i have settled on cladding the dome with bricks and sealing them, seems to get a good finish and would match local houses if get architectural reclaims

slab is fairly high but am planning to deck the area to bring up the levels, plus can get more kit under the oven!

boerwarrior,
thanks for post, your build looks to be going well! moving all the materials through the house is keeping me fit if nothing else! taking your advice and going for a saw!

bookemdano,
thanks for post too. have been looking at the uk site also; prob going ot use kilnlining as well.

cheers

toby

conroyt2000 05-13-2013 09:39 AM

Re: 36" Walthamstow Wood Fired Oven (UK)
 
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rebar and formwork pics


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