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Old 09-11-2012, 01:14 PM
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Dee,

Good luck, you are ahead of me on the counters, just finished ripping the melamine. Going to coat the exposed particle board edges with urethane or something like that to prevent swelling of the melamine during the pour. So I will be watching your counter pour closely.
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Old 09-11-2012, 03:45 PM
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I did the same on thing on the brick arch for the base. I tried to "freehand" it since i was so good from building an oven. NOT. I tore it down and started over "freehanding again" ended up stopping and building a frame to keep me straight and saved the second one using the frame and the dang angle grinder to grind out the uneven and misaligned errors. I vowed my thick head to never lay a brick without a form or string or something besides my crooked eyes and crooked hands. This whole thing has been humbling to say the least.
Sounds like you are ready for the big pour! Good luck with that. I used some silicone caulk in the corners of the forms to get a slightly rounded corner on the bottom edge and an edge tool to round the top. Sounds like you are cast in place, which is easier to me. I would not pour it exactly level. Give it some fall to front or back, whichever is the better in your setup. i just set the forms with the bubble on the edge of the center. it looks like the slope in your surrounding yard will drain towards the kitchen and i suspect the retaining wall channels that away for you. So probably the slope towards the front or weep holes in back. You could do some nice curves next to the oven and the end in your forms. Looking forward to the results. What are you using for base layer?
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:31 AM
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Just a note on the fiberglass mesh. Make sure that the web size is larger than the largest aggregate in the mix, otherwise it creates a fracture plane in the slab.
Good call out. I may need to rethink my mix as the QK5000 does have gravel. I think the countertop mix has only fine aggregate.
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Old 09-12-2012, 06:14 PM
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You could do some nice curves next to the oven and the end in your forms. Looking forward to the results. What are you using for base layer?
Tracy -
thanks for all the tips. I am putting a curve on the landing at the front of the oven. What did you use for your curve form? I was thinking 2 layers of luan

On the base layer, I screwed plywood strips into the metal studs around each opening, and then cut a piece of Hardieboard to fit in there. None of them span more than 14-16 inches, so I figure the weight will not be a problem. I poured a 4 inch slab on hardie with bigger span than that. I will be leaving the hardie in place. I plan to fill up all the gaps and cracks with caulk before I pour, and then tape over all the seams. Sound like it should work?

Oh, and I changed my plan to use the Quikrete countertop mix - which is special order with a 2 week delivery window, so I am going to be waiting a bit for the pour. Grr..
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:34 AM
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Bummer on the order lead time. At least you aren't cutting chimneys down like me. I used masonite (i think that is what it's called,pegboard w/o holes) I think the luan or melamine is better and i wished i would have used one of those. The moisture makes that masonite do strange things. I should have taped it, i think. Sounds like you have the bases covered. The main problem i had was keeping that vertical edge form supported and straight. It was screwed into my base material and caulked along that joint and double layered, but the moisture and troweling made it a little wavy. Not bad, but you know how it is, the guy that did it can always see it. Looking forward to that polished counter of yours though.
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Oh crap, i am showing my screwups again. I have so many it's hard not to.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:13 AM
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Dennis,
My 2 cents.........the form is everything. If you have any doubts keep tweaking it until it's solid. Concrete has a way of finding the form's weakness so once you start pouring there's no turning back. The nice thing about concrete though is you can fix it! Read up on all the literature you can find about finishing, i.e., when to float, when to trowel, how to work the edges. It can be overworked as much as underworked. Anyway, your project is looking super. You've done good work so far so I'm sure the counters will turn out fine.
I'm having to switch to other more pressing projects around here so my WFO is on hold for now. I have to live vicariously through everyone else's projects. But if this great weather we're having continues I might still get to it.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:53 AM
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Thanks for the encouragement Joe. I tweaked and fiddled with my forms all weekend. I thought I had it all done, and then realized that the form I made for my precast oven landing was 3" deep, and needed to be 2.5". Doh! Back to the circular saw I guess. But I think I have the forms for my BBQ area in good shape and ready to pour once the concrete arrives.

Funny how with time the plan keeps evolving though. I was at a restaurant last night that had charcoal concrete counters, polished - no aggregate. I really liked the way that they looked. I think I am going to skip adding the glass to my counters. One less thing to worry about.

Something I'd love feedback on - The back of my BBQ counter will be up against an existing retaining wall. Since I am casting in place, I am concerned about the appearance of the joint where the counter meets the wall. I'm not planing to use any rebar to join the two - so cracks along that joint are likely. My thought was that I might install a piece of stainless or aluminum flat bar along the back edge of the countertop, right at counter height. It would serve as a visual break between the counter and the wall, and would also be a handy guide for getting the countertop level when I am pouring. Any thoughts/advice on that idea?

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Old 09-17-2012, 12:38 PM
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will the finished counter height equal the retaining wall height?
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:55 PM
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Deejayoh,

Finished my forming/reinforcing for the counters this weekend, picked up quikrete 5000 and was going to pour this weekend but could not find the color I wanted locally (at least in 5 lb bags, everything was 25 pounder - yikes) so had to mail order. Understand black/charcoal is a popular color so good luck.
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will the finished counter height equal the retaining wall height?
there's a 45 degree bevel at the top of the wall, about 3/4 inch high. If I make them perfectly level, the countertops will be just below the bottom of the bevel - Maybe 1/16-1/8 inch under. I think that I will probably make the counters be even with the bottom of the bevel in order to give them a slight slant toward the front (which I think you suggested earlier!)

I will try to post some photos tonight
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