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Old 02-25-2013, 07:00 PM
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I agree, fire on the side with offset to make turning, retreiving easier.
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:57 AM
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Tom... I think we are talking past each other. Barrel vaults can have fire on the side. I think we agree on that point.


Edit: Looking around I see that a lot of barrel vault guys apparently do fires on the side. Didn't realize that.

Bill

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Old 02-26-2013, 03:46 AM
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Annie,

Back to your question about the first course of bricks, I really think it is a misconception that the outer area of the oven can't be used if you start the curve of the oven with the first course.
The curve is not that great and you will find that the sides of your pans and dishes will still fit right up the the edge.
The other thing is if you start with a full brick soldier course you will need to be carefull of the outward thrust, then when you start with the half bricks that the joins don't line up with joins of the first course. I hope that makes sence to you, it is getting late here.
For a hemisphere this is true, but with a low dome that has a radius larger than half the diameter, then the angle at the base is way less than 90degrees. The problem is also exacerbated if the oven is small. Eg you can't squeeze a bread tin loaf close to the oven edge.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:50 AM
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Hmmm... Lots to ponder thanks for the discussion! Seems I need an architectural consultant!

Annie... wondering what Brunelleschi is up to these days...
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:05 PM
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Hi Annie,

Brunelleschi, is constructing cess pools to recover methane as a fuel.

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Old 02-27-2013, 01:33 PM
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Hey Laurentius... good to see you back on the thread!

OK ... back to domes so the consensus is that if I use a row of soldiers I am heading for a failure because of the outward stress of the dome on the first chain... now is this still true if I use a catenary style dome?

If builders have used soldiers in the first chain... do they buttress to keep the structural integrity of the oven?

How is it that 2 chains of 1/2 bricks laid vertical is stronger than a whole brick?

Why is the sky blue?

Just wondering.... Annie
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:30 PM
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There are several ways to do it. Are you building round or barrel?
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:31 PM
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I don't want to start a big debate about using a soldier course or not!!!
I do!... I think it would be an interesting discussion.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:56 PM
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There are several ways to do it. Are you building round or barrel?
I have decided to go with the vault instead of the dome.

I eat more bread and baked goods than I do pizza & I would like to try roasting coffee beans.... also people are always dropping off big fresh salmon...nice to slow roast... so with those purposes in mind and considering the limited floor space I think the vault/barrel is best for me.

I want the simplest plan possible... the future concern I have is the joining of the vent arch... most of the photos make it look quite complicated with a lot of precision cuts.
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:01 PM
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.... also people are always dropping off big fresh salmon...nice to slow roast....

Me thinks that I was born in the wrong part of the U.S. of A.
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