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Old 04-15-2013, 02:54 PM
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Gudday Bruce
Your well on the way to collecting all the bits you need. Good score on the firebrick... There three times as expensive here and with transport costs..wow
Shame about the lime I could find lime at 5 different places within 20 mins. But high temp cement only in 2 places and expensive as well.
If you are determined to have a rectangular entrance so be it. I have one and the metal expands and I have hairline cracks in the mortar not the brick. The oven cools and they disappear.
Notice that you have had no comment on the stand. I would have core filled it myself. And it's easy to do mix up sloppy concrete in a bucket and pore it in. Doesn't even take much concrete either. If you can't do this at this stage I suppose time will tell. But there is a few positives. The forno stand is massively overbuilt to start with. You have only 3 block height and the structure is quite squat. You have a stable base and will be putting 160 odd bricks on top to pin it down.
I think you can leave the entrance at this stage especially as you have the set back to build it later. There are ovens with no chimneys I have a friend with one you do have to put up with a face full of smoke on occasions though.
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:28 PM
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Thanks Dave,
Pouring the cores might have been easier then I imagined. But I need to say, just mixing one bag of the surface bonding cement was pretty exhausting. In terms of strength, those blocks aren't going anywhere. Given that the base is virtually solid block and the there is angle iron spanning the storage area every 8", I'm confident in the stand (particularly since frost and seismic activity aren't issues here) holding. Admittedly this confidence has no basis in experience or real knowledge. I was scared off the pompelli plans calling for 14 80 lb bags of concrete to fill the cores and another 17 bags for the slab. Time will tell if my build holds up.

As to the arch, not committed either way. Maybe I should start on the arch and bail to the rectangle if necessary. Assuming I am correct that the rectangular entry simplifies the build, I guess I just need to better understand the upside to the arch. I appreciate your previous offer to share your experience and help me through the process. Sounds like you think leaving about 24" for the chimney and front shelf is about right, correct?

Any opinion on the soldier or sailor issue?
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:15 PM
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Gudday Doug
I'll answer you question as best I can over a few posts I'm at work.
Mixing mortar ... Get yourself one of those paint mixers to put on your electric drill the ones about 2 ft long. You can then mix mortar in a bucket and potter along at you own pace.
Set back ... 24 in for you sounds a bit deep. A brick is roughly 8 ins so that's 3 bricks deep. Mine is deep at 2 and 1/2 bricks deep. So say 1&1/2 bricks roughly 12 to 14 ins . You'll have to check it out with your bricks on the stand to find out. That will give you room for a chimney easy.

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Old 04-15-2013, 09:52 PM
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Hi Dave,
I'm Bruce but call me anything you like, your comments are truly appreciated. So far it looks like it's mostly you and me on this build, though I hope others join in. I'm not sure what you are saying about the setback. The 24" is 12" for chimney and outer entry plus 12" for a shelf in front.

Back to the build, assuming I try to make an inner entry arch, just how difficult is it to tie in the rows of brick to the arch? Finally, any opinion on the soldier v sailor v neither issue?

Just to recap my experience in this:

Number of bricks cut: 1 to test used saw from Craig's list.
Number of bricks laid: 0
Number of ovens built: 0

And just to add to the the degree of difficulty, I am trying to do this by myself working from a wheelchair. Hence, I gladly accept all the advice and sharing of experience I can get.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:38 PM
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Gudday Mate
Did I read that right ......1-nil,I think you on a winner!
Regards sailor vs soldier.....neither .... Start it on a row of 1/2 bricks build on the hearth you can't go wrong. It's a big oven a 36 in ,so the angle of the wall means that it should interfere with anything in the oven!
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If you look on the left you see the top of the square entry and those transition brick cuts that is probably the hardest part of the oven I think. I think those four bricks would be just as hard for an arch as a flat topped entrance!
Any thoughts on you construction method are you getting any help or are you doing this all yourself
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Hi Dave,
I put together an IT so plan to use through most of the build. For the final rows will likely use an inflatable ball. Not committed to this if there is a better method.

I guess the other decision is whether to do tapered cuts on the bricks.

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Gudday Bruce
Had a class last night so it was late when I heard of the bombing at Boston ... Angry that whomever did this, strikes at the heart of being human and enjoying doing something as a community.
By the way just noted that the "views" on your thread jumped from 422 to over 600. Thats overnight. I think you have generated a bit of interest.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:03 PM
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Boston was certainly tragic and shocking. Emotionally though I was much more affected by Newtown (both my children passed away ages 16 and 20 - natural causes). It is very hard to even begin to understand how this somehow makes sense to the bombers. I hope they are caught very quickly. Still, lost in these events and blows to people's sense of safety is that in reality the homicide rate in at historic lows in this country. It is currently about one half of what it was in 1980 and violent crime in general show similar trends.

Hadn't noticed the jump in page views, I hope they hang on through the build and free free to jump in. I had a busy day and haven't been able to work on the layout. Went to a luncheon with our university's (Florida State University) baseball coach, took my van in to have ramp repaired, and met with my wheelchair provider to start the process of getting a new chair. Right now I'm at a baseball game. Hope to be able to work on the entry layout tomorrow. Bruce
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Hadn't noticed the jump in page views, I hope they hang on through the build and free free to jump in.
I'm still watching! I had about 600 views on my build thread, and I think 4-5 people commented. I would've thought more questions would have been asked, or maybe they think it's ugly and do not wanna hurt my feelings. lol
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That or they were so in awe that they were speechless. . Glad you are on board. I think I saw you live in Oakland, were you with Detroit Fire Dept?
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