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aaronlalonde 07-02-2009 07:45 PM

where to start
 
Hi all.

I am planning my outdoor kitchen project. When complete it will project about 18' from house and go about 40-45 feet wide, or all the way across the back of the house. I plan to have a WFO, gas grill, burners, fridge, sink, eating/watching bar, rectangle dining table, fireplace and hot tub.

My question i swhere to start. Since this is almost Gulf Coast Texas, shade is a must. do you think i should start with the permananent patio cover or pergola type of shade? Or should i start with the patio- stained concrete and start buildingin the cabinets from there. is there any disadvantage to pouring hte concrete in 2 or thre sections?

As for cabinets is there any benefit to build them from block rather than metal studs and hardyplank?


like i said im still in planning.....

GianniFocaccia 07-04-2009 12:44 PM

Re: where to start
 
Aaron,

I too have begun work on my outdoor kitchen and so far have completed the foundations for my kitchen counter and island. I am about to pour my foundation slab and follow with block hearth stand. Once I've poured the hearth foundation and insulation my plan is to install my brick patio pavers (1500sq'). I decided on this order so I can have almost all of my concrete work finished before my pavers go in.

Hope this helps,

John

blacknoir 07-04-2009 03:01 PM

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I would start with concrete first, making sure you have a good foundation that can support your patio cover or pergola. You'll want to check with city codes to see what's required there, but anything next to the house should be regulation foundation and not just a slab. It's a bit more work but you might want to enclose it some day and would be very mad if you didn't do it now.

I wouldn't stain the concrete until you're done. Staining is very easy to scratch and/or chip and what you're working on will definitely cause some scratches at minimum. If you can afford it, I'd suggest planning your layout and then getting brushed concrete poured where your oven and kitchen will go and stamped colored concrete for the rest. But stained is nice too.

Block vs Metal Studs is a preference in my opinion. I'm going to be using metal studs for my cabinets as they're easier to work with and a bit more forgiving.

-Shay

Frances 07-05-2009 03:40 AM

Re: where to start
 
One thought that comes to mind: you'll be really glad of some shade (protection from the rain could be less of an issue where you are, right?) while building the oven. So I'd say first the foundation, then the pergola, then the oven, and then everything else (i.e. all the lesser parts of an outdoor kitchen ;)). And floor finishing last.

texassourdough 07-05-2009 08:45 AM

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Hi Aaron!

I am in San Antonio so I don't have nearly the rain or humidity issue you do but I am contemplating retrofitting a roof over my oven area. I have several thoughts that may not fit well with your plans but... having lived in the Houston area for 25 years prior to moving to SA, I think they are worth noting.

It sounds like you are planning a big area with a potentially large roof. Given your vulnerability to tropical storms I would suggest involving an architect in designing the roof and its supports (your city planners should probably require it!)

A second point is that the roof and its supports and the foundation should be coordinated or it feels almost certain it will come out wrong and require reverse engineering. Likewise, planning and instaling the electrical and natural gas supplies to the facility should be carefully thought out and installed before the foundation. You at least need to have the supplies installed to their distribution points.

Given the tendency to driving rain and deluges in Houston I think it would be good to have a permanent and sizeable roof to protect the electical appliances and cabinets. Likewise, having a real roof over the oven will greatly help keep it dry and avoid having to periodically redry it out after it gets drenched (which will almost certainly happen if you don't put a real roof/walls around it.) (Note: this could be a stand alone roof for the oven only but I would not suggest an igloo without a roof.)

WRT which to do first, cover or foundation, I think they pretty much go hand in hand. You probably want to do the foundation/bases for the walls/roof at the same time as the foundation so the plans are needed up front. Then pour the foundation and then I would build the walls/roof - if nothing else to give shade for working on the cabinets, oven, etc.

Good luck! I look forward to seeing pictures!
Jay

aaronlalonde 07-07-2009 07:36 AM

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Taking donations!

I would also like to put in a smoker but cant seem to find the room for the firebox believe it or not!

Have any of you Texans had a brisket done in a WFO? how did it taste?

GianniFocaccia 07-08-2009 10:52 AM

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Aaron,

Seeing as I'm just ready to pour my foundation slab I haven't cooked a brisket in my WFO yet. However, I certainly plan to do a number of them and pork shoulders too. Once the oven cools to proper temp (230*) for briskets, etc, I don't imagine there would be too much of a smoke profile. This may require the first 3-4 hours in the smoker prior to putting into the oven to finish.

John

aaronlalonde 05-03-2013 05:30 AM

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here we are almost 4 yrs and 2 kids later,this project is still a dream. I did end up acquiring a 10' prefab outdoor kitchen countertop with a dcs grill dual burner and warming drawer. I also picked up a grill dome that works fairly well.

One of these days.....

Gulf 05-03-2013 06:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronlalonde (Post 151683)
here we are almost 4 yrs and 2 kids later,this project is still a dream. I did end up acquiring a 10' prefab outdoor kitchen countertop with a dcs grill dual burner and warming drawer. I also picked up a grill dome that works fairly well.

One of these days.....

Keep the faith,
The toil and trouble (scrounging for materials and the work) is worth the effort :).
The kids will be "grown and gone" before you know it, "If you build it, they will come" ......back more often :D.


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