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Old 06-13-2007, 09:14 PM
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Ok now, looking for opinions.
How useful is an outdoor kitchen area. is it worth the cost and trouble? Sub question, do I need a roof over the area?
My plans include a large deck right of the back of the house, and the oven/smoker/grill pit wich will be about thirty feet away from the house. The house is just above grade, so there are no stairs involved. The back door is actually on the side of the house, not the rear. I cook on my beat up old charcoal grill probably four or five nights a week, I dont really mind walking out the side and then around back, but could down on trips to the kitchen if I install an outdoor kitchen on the future deck. The spot I am thinking of would put the counter up against the kitchen wall, so water, drain and electric would be a breeze.
My problem is this, do I need a cover? If I roof that section of deck, I block all natural sunlight to the kitchen window. That would also extend the future drive way roof and create an enormous section of roof back there, almost bigger than my house.
Stainless steele sink and graniet or cement counter are options, but are there good weather resistant cabinet materials? I have no problem with a seasonal cover.
So, do any of you think the possible usefullness of the sink, countertop and fridge will be worth the extra cost and design flaws of a roof?
Thank you for any time you give this poor DIYer.
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Old 06-13-2007, 09:17 PM
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Ok, time for some opinions.
is an outdoor kitchen really worth the cost and effort.
also, should I cover counter and working space with a roof?
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Old 06-13-2007, 09:18 PM
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Huh, some how I keep posting things twice

Huh, some how I keep posting things twice...
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Old 06-13-2007, 10:17 PM
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Opining as another DIYer I lean more towards a minimalist design - I think you need counters, but why do you really need a fridge outdoors? I know others here have done that, but I can keep beer cold without a fridge, and pizza ingredients can stand for an hour or so outside. If I had a day long pizza party where I want the ingredients to stay cold next to the prep area a portable cooler would fit in just fine.

Sink? How about a few bowls/buckets of water - one for cleaning and another for rinse.

Cover is very much a weather dependent thing, and depends whether you need something for shade or rain protection in your climate. Where I live, rain is the biggest issue. I built my oven with a short overhang intended to be enough to hide under when it rained - my design failed (too short) and it served no purpose. My next oven will skip that feature and instead have a portable umbrella placed in front of the oven for shelter as needed.

Counter materials - as a DIYer, think about casting concrete countertops yourself. It's a good all weather material and is no fuss - you don't really have to worry about resealing it regularly like granite (sealing helps protect against stains, but concrete is rustic - let it stain!). You can touint it, acid stain it, include bits of material for color, even grind to a polish for visual appeal. Or you can just use melamine as a mold and stay with the fairly smooth work surface that gives you. A fair amount of web information about the options for that.

Cabinets? How about a wire rack? How much outdoor storage is needed?

Marc

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Old 06-14-2007, 04:28 AM
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I agree with Maver, but really this is a matter of taste rather than being "right" or "wrong."

I have decided against a refrigerator. My prep area will have an overhang which will accommodate one of the many coolers I have accumulated. My kitchen is planned for an oven, grill, tandoor and counter tops. I plan on including a separate bar/counter top as another prep/seating area. While I can certainly see the advantages of a sink (and I love Sharon's idea of hooking it up to the sprinklers for the fall blow out), I really don't think I need it.

As for the roof, my wife would cut off my hands if I killed ANY of the light coming into the house. If you really want rain protection, could you install one of those retractable awnings over part of the area (not the chimney of course )?
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:19 AM
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Have a roofed structure with a WFO, BBQ, two separate Side Burners, Fridge, Nine bottle wine fridge and Granite countertops, wood cabinets below

Fridge in Southern California view as a need to have and saves trips back to main kitchen for infredients. Can maintain water and soda for kids plus those persihanbles I will be using for cooking. Allows to store stuff needed later in day prior to arrival of guests or just to make it easier on myself.
Wine fridge, small portable 9 bottle variety. Received as a gift, not sure I would have bought separately, keep under counter. A Nice to Have item.
BBQ - self explanatory, but am using a Tuscan Grill more often when I have WFO fired up.
Side Burners - Issue here is with even a slight breeze reducing effectiveness of burners. Use, but not as often as I had origianlly thought.
Countertops - great for making pizzas, prep other items etc. Easy to clean.
Sink - have not yet found need but did install a waste pipe during construction tied to drainage system, have cold water access and would just need to cut hole in granite to install. At present have preferred the extra counter space versus benefit of sink.
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:29 PM
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"Sink - have not yet found need but did install a waste pipe during construction tied to drainage system, have cold water access and would just need to cut hole in granite to install. At present have preferred the extra counter space versus benefit of sink."

Ladies and gentleman we have a winner

Why I did not think of that before, I don't know??? My solution is to rough it in and if I find the need, its in place, if not no big deal. What got me in the post was "preferred the extra counter space versus benefit of sink" which triggered the light in my head

Thanks and again thanks for all the replies
J.P
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:56 PM
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All this time I was trying to figure out what WFO meant.....

It certainly wasn't what I thought it was...

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Old 06-15-2007, 07:00 PM
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Christo.....I want to, but I'm not going to ask
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Old 08-25-2007, 09:13 AM
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We love our outdoor kitchen, we have a walk out basement, so I keep most of the supplies indoors, but we have a small fridge outside (not a true outdoor fridge, but so far it's lasted 2 years) we have a sink and I do all the cleaning up outside. will post pics in a separate post.
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