Pizza Ovens | (800) 407-5119 | Info@fornobravo.com
logo

Go Back   Forno Bravo Forum: The Wood-Fired Oven Community > Pizza Oven Design and Installation > Getting Started

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 05-08-2008, 02:08 AM
mfiore's Avatar
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 466
Default Re: It begins!

Dick

I think I will fill the cores. It's too late for me to dry stack, but I'm a little concerned about the integrity of some of those mortar joints (see my last post).

I was worried about the foundation, as it was very stiff concrete and difficult to level off. After drying, though, I was only 1/8 inch off level at it's worst points . Pretty happy about that!
__________________
Mike - Saginaw, MI


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 05-08-2008, 02:11 AM
thebadger's Avatar
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 321
Default Re: It begins!

Mfiore

Glad to hear. I was off about 1/4 of inch which I made up when I poured my hearth. Sounds like we're buidling very similar foundations.

I'm hoping to fill my top dome with sand so I can finish my rows - on course 6. Hoping to end up about 17 inches high.

Dick
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 05-08-2008, 03:51 PM
dbhansen's Avatar
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 300
Default Re: It begins!

Filling the cores might give the most peace of mind; I probably should have done that myself.

The masonry jointer tool is used after the mortar is set and slightly firm. You slide the curved portion of it along the joint, compressing and sealing the mortar. It helps keep moisture out, so it may be an important step for a below-grade wall that isn't filled or sealed.

BTW, I concur about our winters! I'll be so happy when I can start working above grade! The cement truck arrives tomorrow for my foundation.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 05-08-2008, 05:39 PM
james's Avatar
Brick Oven Merchant
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pebble Beach, CA
Posts: 3,825
Default Re: It begins!

Filling the cores is just labor and money. :-) No skill required. If you want to do something, but not the entire stand, you can fill either just the corners, or the corners and one core in the middle, or every other core.

Drop in a section of rebar.

We have just finished a block wall completely around our house -- and we pumped all the cores. Time and money! Still, for a big wall that was the right thing to do.

James
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 05-08-2008, 05:40 PM
james's Avatar
Brick Oven Merchant
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pebble Beach, CA
Posts: 3,825
Default Re: It begins!

One more thing. I really like dbhansen's Avatar. Excellent.
James
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 05-08-2008, 06:56 PM
mfiore's Avatar
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 466
Default Re: It begins!

What is the true benefit of filling the cores? I understand that it will add more stability, especially if rebar is put in.

Will it help, though, if my mortar joints are not the best (will it keep water from entering, freezing, heaving, etc).

Thanks again
(PS. I agree, very cool Avatar for Daren!)
__________________
Mike - Saginaw, MI


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 05-08-2008, 08:46 PM
dbhansen's Avatar
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 300
Default Re: It begins!

Thanks about the avatar. It's the only good thing to come out of my brief foray into Google SketchUp!

Concerning the cores, it seems like a below-grade wall may need every core filled, especially if the first row or two of block is mortared down already. Otherwise you'll have water filling up the cores and freezing. Perhaps that wouldn't be a problem as long as there is space above for the ice to move into, but you might want to consider filling every core like Badger did. If they weren't mortared at the bottom the water would have somewhere to go.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 05-14-2008, 03:32 AM
mfiore's Avatar
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 466
Default Re: It begins!

Update: I've had two nice days off work and was able to make some progress with the foundation. I put down 4 courses of 8x8x16 concrete block down (over a 12 inch concrete footing). The foundation was tied to the footing with re-bar in the corners.

I plan to fill the cores with concrete tomorrow. I don't think I will seal the foundation. As I got used to working the mortar (and higher up) the joints looked better. I also don't think I could get down the sides of the foundation to seal adequately (I only allowed 4 inches each side of the foundation).

Questions: I plan to put some vertical re-bar into the cores as I fill them with concrete. What is the best way to do this? Should the re-bar just fill be used to lock the foundation blocks together, or should it extend above the top of the foundation (and into the future slab of concrete at ground level) to tie it all together. If the latter is the case, is it enough to have the re-bar poke up a few inches into the future slab, or should it be longer and bent over 90 degrees to provide horizontal support to the slab.

I realize these all sound like silly questions with perhaps obvious answers.

Also, what is the best way to bend re-bar (without buying a "re-bar bender").

thanks
Attached Thumbnails
begins-wfo-039.jpg  
__________________
Mike - Saginaw, MI


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 05-14-2008, 06:34 AM
gjbingham's Avatar
Il Pizzaiolo
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Longview, WA
Posts: 1,769
Default Re: It begins!

My neighbor, the iron worker recommended tying in the cores to the slab with bent rebar. He does it for a living and teaches it at a trade school. I took his word for it.

I used a forked tree to bend my 3/8th inch rebar. It works really well. A 5 or 6 inch forked tree allows you to put the rebar in the fork at the point you want to make the bend. Walk with the rebar around the tree and check your bends in the forms. Once bent most of the way, you can do the rest by hand/foot pretty easily.
__________________
GJBingham
-----------------------------------
Everyone makes mistakes. The trick is to make mistakes when nobody is looking.

-
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 05-14-2008, 02:53 PM
dbhansen's Avatar
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 300
Default Re: It begins!

Lookin' good, Mike! I bet you're glad to be out of that hole. You're almost caught up with me; I poured my slab last Friday and hope to start the stand this weekend, weather permitting.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:42 PM.

Home | About Us | Our Suppliers | Dealers | Press and News | Contact Us | FAQ | Forno Bravo UK
Residential Pizza Ovens | Commercial Pizza Ovens | Catering Pizza Ovens | Pizza Oven Accessories | Pizza Peels | Outdoor Fireplaces
Select | Justify | Order | Install | Manage | Make Pizza | Roast, Bake and Grill
Pompeii Brick Oven | Firenze Concept Oven | Links | Cookbooks | Vera Pizza Napoletana | Pizza Oven Photos
Commercial Pizza Oven Selector | Outdoor Kitchen Design | Site Map | Forum

© 2006 Forno Bravo, LLC Italian Pizza Ovens

No part of this website or content thereof may be reproduced, distributed or transmitted in any form or by any means, nor may any part of this website be stored in a database or other electronic retrieval system, or any other website, without the prior written permission of Forno Bravo, LLC.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
© 2006 Forno Bravo, LLC

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33