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Old 06-19-2011, 07:35 AM
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Tom,
I've followed your build and very much respect your craftsmanship. I am in the planning phase and still have a constant debate to whether to emulate your Catalan vault style oven or go with the Pompeii style. I see yours as an easier build, becuase it requires less cuts and should go up faster. Most people on the forums have only one perspective, i.e. the oven they built. That may be the case for you too; however you appear to have gone against the traditional approach to the Forno Bravo group. I have a couple of basic questions, which I hope you have time to answer.
1)Other than the offset, are there any other design changes you would make to your oven?
2)Do you personally believe your design is better than the Pompeii? Why?
3)Do you think you get the evenness of heat distribution that one get from a Pompeii?
4)Are there any areas where you think your design falls short of the Pompeii?
Hope to hear from you soon.
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As mentioned up above somewhere, I built the barrel vault because I wanted to use a specific type of vault construction (timbrel arch). I was not really looking to build an oven at all, just an arch.

It is quicker and easier to build and performs well, but it is not as spacious as a circular oven. That said, a lot more time is spent on cutting and forming the bricks than is strictly required by many on this board.

The next one I build for myself will be a low dome, almost square oven, with an asymmetrical cast refractory roof.

In general, I usually recommend following the FB plans, as they are very good and almost fool proof.
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It is a persistent meme that square ovens are easier to build than round ovens. I just have one question for someone considering a square oven for pizza: What are the corners for? How do you get the ash out of them? Oops, that's two questions.
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For the same volume the dome has a smaller surface area than the cube. This means a faster heat up and therefore a greater heat loss. Probably not that you'd notice much difference.
This debate will never be settled here, it amounts to whatever floats your boat. One can rationalize either design (or any other design) if you are willing to spend the time and effort.

I made a stand for a barrel oven, changed my mind, and built the dome because the (proven) plans were available, along with willing mentors -posting in this thread for sure- who have overcome the obstacles inherent in the build. Plans for some good ovens online are not always free like the pompei, nor, are they backed by a huge online community for help when you need it. That was the basis for my choice.

[heresy on] I suspect that some of the rationale for the dome is folklore, [heresy off] but, ultimately for me, I discovered that we enjoy the long 'tradition' of the dome.

This is a hobby for me and I suspect most of us who read this, so do what you want to do!
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:42 AM
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I finished laying the brick for the grill chimney, now I am done with brick. Next up is concrete counter tops.



(just finished, still has to be washed down)
I seriously want one of these grills!!! You said you work for a company that sells them. Do you know if they export to Australia at all? Talk about 'griller envy'!



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Old 04-22-2012, 03:49 PM
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Door number 4. I took process pics, but they were corrupted data, time for a new camera I guess.

I did the edges and the interior surface with a mix of 3-1 heatstop/perlite, then filled it in with a mixture of 1-3 heatstop/perlite, then put a half inch of 1-1 heatstop/perlite on the exterior. I made a rib vertically in the center, and when it hardens will cut it in half at a 45 degree angle for a two part door. Ultimately I plan on using high temp silicone to glue wood to the exterior, but in the interim, I cut the shapes into the surface when it was set well.
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Old 04-22-2012, 04:37 PM
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I hope 4 is the charm. How thick are your foam board forms? Did it all set up well? I still have a down and dirty two piece, cut horizontal, door made out of a really fragile light fire brick that lined a old ceramic kiln. I wrapped it in sheet metal but it is still too brittle. Why a 45 degree angle? My building cohort (son) is going to Romania for a couple of years so I will be on my own for any construction projects, Gavin (7) is a good helper but most of the time we end up doing things twice.

Hope all is well with you and yours,

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45 degree angle to control heat loss. The door is 2" thick, 1" plug and 1" lap.
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I worked the blank a little this week, got all the mold marks off, rounded the sharp edges, and acid stained the front, as well as cutting it in half (I did that in the mold). It is at about a 25 degree angle, not 45 degree.

Now I just have to sand it to fit and attach handles.
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I have been waiting for this for a while, once I get it mounted I can finish the pergola.

My buddy had a huge cedar, Juniperus ashei, in his driveway. Aside from the pollen, it was in the way of where he wanted to expand his driveway. He cut it down in 2008 and stored it at his brother's for the intervening years. We had been looking for a sawyer to cut it for us but none were willing or cheap enough, so we decided to do it ourselves today freehand with a chainsaw. The first piece (on the ground to the right in the last pic) is for the seat and back of a bench, the last pics of the big log will be the side pieces. The first pic is one half for my bar in the outdoor kitchen the second for a low seat in the same.

We sawed them, planed them, and sanded them. Hard work, but it sure did smell good doing it.








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Old 05-27-2012, 05:45 PM
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....We had been looking for a sawyer to cut it for us but none were willing or cheap enough, so we decided to do it ourselves today freehand with a chainsaw.....
Wow! That is some undertaking for a chain saw. If I had of attempted that with one of my self filed chains there wouldn't have been anything left after 20 passes thru the planer .
Impressive, we do with what we have. Great job .
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Beautiful wood. There is a product for your saw. I was thinking about buying one a few years ago when my father dropped a black walnut tree. To late now but you did a great job without it.

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