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Onefella 12-22-2008 07:51 AM

36" vault in tropical Australia
 
Well I've been working on my oven project for a couple of months now, so I thought I would post a couple of pics.

I have ended up doing my hearth slab a little unconventionally. I have a piece of cement sheeting as the bottom of my slab that stays in place with a network of stainless steel screws that will go through the vermiculite insulation layer on the bottom and will be embedded in the concrete of the hearth slab. The outside blockwork will end up with quite thick 'bond-beam' that will be at the same level as the hearth slab.

The monsoon is well and truly upon us now, and is holding up the hearth slab pour, but hopefully it will be done within a week, weather permitting.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...Formwork_1.jpg http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b.../th_Base03.jpg

Onefella 12-22-2008 07:54 AM

Re: 38" vault in tropical Australia
 
A couple more...

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...rthSlab_01.jpg http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...rthSlab_10.jpg

nissanneill 12-22-2008 02:06 PM

Re: 38" vault in tropical Australia
 
Hi Onefella,
with a name like that, you will have more once you get your oven finished and the traditional Aussie barby scene changes. Maybe you better reserve the name 'lots of fellas' when it happens.
Well welcome aboard anyway.
You will certainly need to weather proof your oven up there. Are you going for a dome or enlcosure type?
Do you plan on using it more for pizzas or baking, you know those Barramundi (Barra), Threadfin Salmon, Mangrove Jack, Mud Crabs, Queenfish, Giant Trevally (Jew fish), Red Emperor, Coral Trout, Spanish Mackerel, Longtail Tuna, Cobia, Black Jew Fish, Golden Snapper, Cod, Sailfish and Marlin.
All the best with your build and keep the pics coming.

Neill

Onefella 12-22-2008 03:41 PM

Re: 38" vault in tropical Australia
 
Hi nissanneill, heh, Onefella is a name of a local landmark, that I have adopted as my online name for forums and websites.

I'm going for a full enclosure including a covered 'porch' in front of the oven for when it's raining. I have always been interested in baking bread and that is primarily what the oven will be for. However years ago I constructed a large permanent 'Hangi' on a beach property we own (which is basically an in-ground wfo) that we use for large cook-ups with our friends. So the new 'above-ground' model will certainly be used for pizza and roasting.

lol, sounds like you've done a bit of fishing up this way? ;) We will be trying various seafood, but we found that the hangi used to over-cook fish. But the oven should be easier to decrease the cooking time.

Dutchoven 12-22-2008 05:23 PM

Re: 38" vault in tropical Australia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Onefella (Post 47655)
I have ended up doing my hearth slab a little unconventionally. I have a piece of cement sheeting as the bottom of my slab that stays in place with a network of stainless steel screws that will go through the vermiculite insulation layer on the bottom and will be embedded in the concrete of the hearth slab. The outside blockwork will end up with quite thick 'bond-beam' that will be at the same level as the hearth slab.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...rmwork_1-1.jpg http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...a/Base03-1.jpg http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...hSlab_06-1.jpg

Sounds like you are putting the insulating layer below the structural concrete slab...that was the way builders originally did it but we have found the vermicrete on top of the structural concrete will make a more efficient oven...otherwise that concrete will always suck heat away from the inside of your oven...I think you will be happier if you make a change now because it will be hard to reinsulate later
All the best to you!

nissanneill 12-22-2008 07:27 PM

Re: 38" vault in tropical Australia
 
Onefella,
I have only been to Darwin once for a week, stayed with friends at Rapid Creek and went out into the harbour over the WWII wrecks catching those great Jewfish. We occassionally get a load freighted down which is nice.
Are you working with Alan Scott's plans for the vault oven or are you building a Pompeii dome?

Neill

Onefella 12-22-2008 09:01 PM

Re: 38" vault in tropical Australia
 
Hi Dutchoven, ok, I'm a bit confused now, I thought the hearth slab was part of the oven's heat 'bank' and that it needed to be insulated. So you're saying the hearth fire bricks are the main source of heat for the sole and that they should be insulated from the hearth slab?

nissanneill, glad to hear you've 'hooked-up' on our monster jewie's. They're fun to catch aren't they? Yes, I'm working primarily from Alan Scott's design with a few elements from Rado Hand's design. Which is why Dutchoven's advice has thrown me for a bit of a loop.

Les 12-22-2008 09:53 PM

Re: 38" vault in tropical Australia
 
fella,

If you are building a Scott oven - you are most likely on a good build. From what I understand, you throw a butt load of heat at it and it retains it for a lot of baking. Most of us here are for a quick heat up, and with proper insulation, we can still bake the next day. With that said, we put our hearth brick onto insulation. Make sense?

Les...

Dutchoven 12-22-2008 10:03 PM

Re: 38" vault in tropical Australia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Onefella (Post 47695)
Hi Dutchoven, ok, I'm a bit confused now, I thought the hearth slab was part of the oven's heat 'bank' and that it needed to be insulated. So you're saying the hearth fire bricks are the main source of heat for the sole and that they should be insulated from the hearth slab?

nissanneill, glad to hear you've 'hooked-up' on our monster jewie's. They're fun to catch aren't they? Yes, I'm working primarily from Alan Scott's design with a few elements from Rado Hand's design. Which is why Dutchoven's advice has thrown me for a bit of a loop.

I built our home oven virtually the same way you are proposing in your post...if I had to do it over again I think I would rather build the "pompeii" design than the barrel vault...no more difficult or time consuming after building one of each...but regardless of that...the oven shape is not so much an issue as that of the insulating of the slab...true in the Scott oven and Rado's(who is incidentally a really stand up guy IMHO)the idea is to use that part of the slab as a "heat sink"...but...a very big but....it will take a really long time to fully heat that sink and unless you plan to cook for three days on one fire and not really get great pizza temps without firing for about 2-3 hours you will want to put the insulation on top of the structural layer...you can still lay the floor bricks on edge to get the 4.5 inches of heated mass from the floor...the cladding necessary in that design will give you a nice store of heat if you insulate it well and you will likely still be able to cook for a couple of days and then dry vegetables, fruits and the firewood for the next cooking day...
I don't mean to throw a cog in your wheel I am only speaking from experience
Best
Dutch

Onefella 12-22-2008 10:45 PM

Re: 38" vault in tropical Australia
 
Dutch, I hear you mate, and you have given me much to think about. I do have a bit of a dream to bake bread semi-commercially for our small town and I was resigned to long firing times for multiple bakes. I really appreciate your advice, but I think I'll still go ahead with the slab as part of the heat bank/cladding. (I hope this doesn't turn out to be too bad a decision)


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