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djm3801 07-26-2011 05:24 PM

Help deciding
 
I hope this is not considered in poor form on a Forno Bravo forum, but I am on a limited budget and limited timeline - will not be interested in making my own from scratch. Looking at three ovens sold via EBAY. One is a local guy who makes ROUNDBOY ovens, a 24 x 28 firebox and cement shell that goes together in a couple of hours - kit is $1300 - $1400 picked up and super easy. Seems decent, nice guy, a bit small.

The other is imported by a Canada company, brick covered with insulation and cement, made in Portugal, Door but no chimney, 32" round inside, assembled of firebrick for $1099 picked up locally. Weighs about 1300 pounds. Seller has like 400 positive reviews.

Last is same seller, Portugal made brick oven but with chimney and toolkit, which looks decent, for $1499, local pickup. The Forno Bravo kits are great but more time intensive and expensive than the above. Same Weight.

Another consideration is that in this silly town there is supposed to be a 50 foot clearance between anything that burns wood and anything combustible, so why pay a lot for something I make have to get rid of anyhow? I have 1/3 acre, but a 50' radius circle is hard to find. So if I happened to get caught...

Anyhow, any suggestions short of building my own of brick welcome and thanks.

azpizzanut 07-27-2011 11:34 AM

Re: Help deciding
 
Hello djm3801,

If only given the three choices, I'd go for the big one. You won't regret the larger oven floor.

Check for an exemption for outdoor cooking devices. Our county has tough air quality restrictions for any kind of outdoor burning, including permits for certain types. However, they exempt devices for cooking food.

Cheers,

horrocks007 07-27-2011 06:18 PM

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I was in your exact shoes a month-and a half ago. I didn't like the Portuguese ovens because they have such a high ceiling, and appeared to lack insulation.

The Roundboy oven seemed good if I was mostly interested in cooking pizza and bread. I don't think that it has the heat retention needed to slow roast a turkey, nor does it have an oven door. I am uncertain if you can use one with the oven, as it appears to lack a ledge for the door to seal against. - With the stand your looking at 1700$+ I believe. You might make up the difference in cost of wood too heat and cook with between the Roundboy and a Forno Bravo oven over a few years.

So I ordered the Giardino 70 oven for 1987$ shipped. I am building a wood stand like Kevin0422 did, except out of pressure treated wood. I think the whole job is settling in at around $2250.00, and I won't regret it.

djm3801 07-27-2011 08:08 PM

Re: Help deciding
 
Your logic is exactly where I am at. The folks at Roundboy are really nice and local. Seems to have good feedback. Assembly is easy and I can fabricate a door. I really like the idea of going with a local entrepreneur. 90 minute drive. Actually for the money I would take it over the Giardino 70 (which is really nice but for me $2,000 is a stretch . They are almost the same size. The Portuguese ovens are 32" and i can get one without a chimney (The folks who sell them say functionally they are the same as the one with ) for $1100. It is the weight - assembled and getting it onto the stand, plus I have not seen anyone who owns one report on them. I am really interested in that stand, and am going to look at the one you mentioned. I figure I get one and use it a lot, I give the old one to my kid and get a better one. I do that with a lot of things.

djm3801 07-28-2011 08:05 AM

Re: Help deciding
 
Had a chat with the wife and I think she helped me decide The Roundboy will be easy to install (hours, not days), no heavy lifting - as in a 1500 pound assembled oven, can be disassembled if i want to move it or give it away or sell it, and is a cost effective introduction to owning and using a pizza oven, given I pick it up myself and save money. Smart lady.

That wood base, though, is the way I am going. 6x6 legs for sure. Thanks for comments. Going to start that base this weekend.

Cheesesteak 07-28-2011 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by horrocks007 (Post 118008)

The Roundboy oven seemed good if I was mostly interested in cooking pizza and bread. I don't think that it has the heat retention needed to slow roast a turkey, nor does it have an oven door. I am uncertain if you can use one with the oven, as it appears to lack a ledge for the door to seal against. - With the stand your looking at 1700$+ I believe. You might make up the difference in cost of wood too heat and cook with between the Roundboy and a Forno Bravo oven over a few years.

That Roundboy looks interesting - but my guess is you'll grow out of it after a few parties.

First - it doesn't look like there's much insulation. Is there any at all in the floor? how much "loose insulation" coats the barrel?

The oven installation guide says "Do not touch the oven while firing" and "Do not push on or lean against the oven." That concerns me. Does it lose that much heat - that the exterior of the oven gets hot - even when insulated? And why can't you "lean" on the oven?

How thick is the refractory material? Is it 1"? 2"? the performance of it will depend somewhat on the mass of the oven. If it's thin - heat loss will be an issue. It'll heat up fast - but cool down fast as well.

I'll bet that once you add in the cost of proper insulation - the cost of the Roundboy is at least equivalent to entry level FB ovens.

Djm3801 - I hope it works out for you - please be sure to update everyone on how it turns out.

Les 07-28-2011 03:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by djm3801 (Post 117929)
there is supposed to be a 50 foot clearance between anything that burns wood and anything combustible, .

That sounds insane.

RTflorida 07-28-2011 04:42 PM

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50' clearance? Really?
Being from Ohio originally, I know there are more than a few fireplaces in that part of the country, not to mention a lot of brick bar-b-ques that were built and very popular in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. What are these people doing?
I can't believe people would let such a crazy legislation pass.

RT

horrocks007 07-28-2011 05:46 PM

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If you contact a local Forno Bravo Dealer you might be able to get a better deal if your willing to pick it up.

dmun 07-28-2011 07:38 PM

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Aren't those Portuguese the ones with the flue Inside the dome? Bad idea all around. No matter who makes the oven, insulation is ALL important. And wood stands usually aren't stable and rigid enough for masonry ovens.


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