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Old 06-28-2009, 03:47 AM
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I got the what is it question.
For code purposes, it's a backyard barbeque if it's freestanding, and it's a masonry fireplace if it's built into a house.
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Old 06-28-2009, 08:27 AM
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[QUOTE]Maybe I will just go ahead, not sure right now though./QUOTE]

Maybe if you rephrased the question and asked how far from your main building you could put up a new fire-place or a new chimney the answer would be more definite. I do not think the question is to what code the oven should be designed to, but rather to what code your main building dictate. At least that is what your insurance company will tell you if the worst should happen and a glow from your oven chimney set up a fire on your main house.
I think it is better to follow the rule rather having a potential future problem.

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Old 06-28-2009, 07:07 PM
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Talk to your local municipal building personnel. These are knowledgeable people and are usually eager to give advice.

If required, absolutely positively get a building permit. Any contractor that tells you other wise is a con. Building permits are there for your protection.

If something goes wrong, your insurance company will be delighted that you didn't get a permit. They won't have to pay anything.
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Old 06-28-2009, 08:50 PM
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I agree with Neil to a point. Building permits were originally intended for our protection, now many years later there are MANY municipalities who are using the system soley for revenue generation. My own city (a burb of Tampa) is one of the worst. Looking back at 13yrs in this town I do not know of anyone who has passed any inspection the first time. My town lives off of the permit fee and the fines that are imposed for a failed inspection. 3 such occursions happenend during my pool build. The first to were inregards to the pool/spa lights ground wire.....the nut was lef loose, I grabbed a wrench a reached down to tighten it, only to be told "don't touch it, the builder must be here to do it (and pay a $25 fine for each day it is not completed). Came back fist thing (7 am) the next moring durring a monsoon rain, took one look and mentioned he needed accees to the connection which was in a hole in the ground..........full of what fron the rain. I again offered to quickly bail out the water, he refused, again muttering the builder should have been there. The inspectors BS and lack of any decentcy racked up 2 fines for rediculous reason that I could have take care off before he took off his rubber boots to leave. Bottom line, pull permits in
Oldsmar FL and you fines will be double the original permit cost.....the permit requirements are getting far out of hand - some examples - all painting, hot water tank replacement, sprinkler systems, landscaping if it involves a certain number of trees or the total sq, ft of the project. That new bath light and toilet you what to throw in your spare bathroon...need a permit.

I have decided to challenge city hall, my new fence will be going in next week without a permit......I"m tired of these 2 jokers and their God like demeanor. If they catch me I will play dumb, then unlease the furry of about 12 neighbors who also jumped through the hoops several times and are still pissed. I want a system based on helping, eleviating fears, and catching actual issues that could lead to a failure. These guys have a ticket quota and do their best to acheive.

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Old 06-29-2009, 09:18 PM
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I don't need no stinking building permit.

He he.

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Old 06-29-2009, 09:23 PM
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Look like they have you in their sights, RT.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:50 PM
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The trick to to know the code better than the inspectors. I am a frequent target and have managed to maintain my projects without permits. My summer project is going to tie them in knots.

"Is that an addition to your house ?'

"No, it is a pole barn ( within 8 inches but not touching). "

"Well, pole barns still need permits.... pulls out citations"

"Sorry, this pole barn is 218 SQ Ft. Any open ended structure under 220 sq ft does not require a permit. Maybe I'll call it a pergola " ( check and mate)


I will have some problems come fall thought. I have to take out 6 80ft trees. They are old and I have had several arborists attest that they are decaying and may fall on my house. In Olympia, they tell me that if I take out those trees I have to replace them with 42 replacement trees ? When I bought the house I only had 13 trees. I now have over 30 planted. Where in the heck would I put 42 more ? I am sure to end up before the city council before I am done.

Hang in there RT. Make them measure and prove everything. Then deny, delay and put off until they go away.

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Old 06-30-2009, 05:37 PM
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Ok guys,
I kinda did it. I called my local Fire Chief today and explained my plans of a pizza oven build in close proximity to my home dwelling. He was very understanding, kind, understood what it was i was building and wanted to do. He said "I don't have a problem with it at all" good news for me to hear. My permit application will be in by next tuesday the latest. I guess i stressed out for nothing but, I guess when you obsess or are passionate about something you worry about rejection. I fell better now or at least good enough for now, probably real good when permit is approved.
I'll let you all know what happens.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:30 PM
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Thats one hurdle, getting the fire chief on your side. Hopefully you have a reasonable building dept.
One thing I have found, at least everywhere I have lived, is that building codes are written as "minimum requirements". If you have a "wanna be mayor" in charge, they love to remind you of the "minimum requirements" and that pass or fail is at their discretion once you meet those requirements.

Neil - Actually, that is the attitude I have taken for the past few yrs and I have done countless projects without permits (most people would merely call it home maintenance).....The fence issue does concern me a bit, since it is visible from 2 roads, but it will meet minimum requirements (going overboard on the posts so the bastard can't come back and make me set 24 new ones), beyond that, any fix would take less than a day ($25 + the cost of the permit I didn't get). It is not the $$$, it is the fact that I am finally at a point in my life where I can choose whether or not I can hire a contractor or do it myself (like I always have to save money) and the 2 fence builders that came highly recommended and were willing/able to do a custom job, will not work in my town because of the permit issues and the inspector. The one guy flat told me, I let my license expire and I don't plan on working in your town for a least a yr., the second guy took the measurements, did the drawings, mentioned the pain in the butt city hall and has yet to call me back or send over a quote. Both have worked in my neighborhood and were recommended by my neighbors. That leaves ME to do a job I don't really want any part of. Maybe I should offer the inspector the cash the builder would have gotten......bribary never hurt anyone did it?

pzachef - sorry to have sidetracked your thread a bit.....I tend to go overboard on things I find touchy. I'm hoping you have the experience we all deserve - fair, informative, and respectful with a big rubber stamp PASSED accross the top.


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Old 07-01-2009, 04:34 PM
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You may have a particularly inept building department, but in my experience, the contractors that don't like getting building permits are usually the "fly-by-night" type. They should be avoided.

Any legitimate contractor will know the codes and will work with the municipal building departments so that so that your construction:

- Won't burn your house down.
- Won't fall on your kids.
- Won't void your insurance.
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