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Old 04-29-2008, 05:27 PM
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I doubt it Ken. Make sure the dough is at room temp. Press it out into 5 inch disks, more or less. Let it sit a few minutes. Try Dave's technique. If the dough is too elastic, cover it and give it some more time. Try again. It should loosen up.

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Old 04-29-2008, 06:15 PM
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I think leaving it in the fridge for a couple of days will only help, especially with the flavor. As George says, it's easier to work with when it warms.

I don't think the oil is probably causing any trouble. The recipe I've had good success with recently actually includes a little oil, as well as a bit of sugar. I'm sure you don't want to do anything rash and use your 20 guests as guinea pigs, but I'll include the recipe here with credit to Peter Reinhart (see the Apr/May 2008 Fine Cooking magazine, probably still on the newsstands):

1 lb. flour
2 tsp. sugar or honey
1 1/2 tsp table salt
1 1/4 tsp instant yeast
1 1/2 Tbsp EVOO

Mix the above, then add 11 fl. oz. water. Mix, rest 5 minutes, knead, form in balls, refrigerate (8 hours to 3 days). You know the rest of the drill. Enough for about 4 individual-sized pizzas. I'm too lazy to do the metric conversions to compare to Dave's.
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:51 PM
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Have to ask where are you doing this final proof? In pizza boxes, on a counter, in ziploc containers? We are firm believers in making that final step happen overnight in the fridge. Our technique is basically the same as yours with the exception of that we divide the dough into balls and round them, then allow them to rest for 20 to 30 minutes, round into balls again and refridgerate overnight. We use pizzeria boxes and when the dough goes in it goes in without any oil on it and then we spray oil the tops to keep them from sticking(nothing on the bottom though because you want them to go up not out...the out makes for a tougher dough I have found and that may be what happened for you). We remove them about an hour or so before using. Ours is quite easily shapeable...check out the photos in the "pizza party" thread I posted last week...the pizza I spun in that one picture was about 40 seconds or so of stretching
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I was just informed that I'm throwing a pizza party on Sunday for about 20 (I guess our pizza adventures this past weekend impressed my spouse).

I have a couple of dough questions. I used ASUDaveW's dough recipe Friday afternoon (500gr Bread Flour/300gr/10gr/3gr) with good success. The only concern I had was it was a bit tough to shape; a little rubbery (after cooking, it was awesome).

I mixed a double recipe, let it rise a couple of hours, formed dough balls, let it rise another 2 hours. I coated the dough balls with EVOO to keep them from sticking together.

Could the EVOO have caused the dough to be rubbery and tough to form? Maybe I didn't have quite enough water? In Dave's video, his dough seems to stretch paper thin with little effort (I realize a lot of that is skill).

What I would like to do for next Sunday is mix the dough and make the balls on Friday or Saturday and pop them in the fridge. I'm planning on pulling out all the stops and using my treasured stash of Caputo Tipo 00, so I don't want to screw this up!

Any advice??

Thanks a million!
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Old 04-29-2008, 07:15 PM
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I'd scoot the hydration up to 63 per cent (630 per 1000, 315 per 500), and knock the IDY down to 2 percent (1/2 t per 500). I mix the dry ingredients, add the water, stir with a silicon spatula until the flour is just absorbed. I let it sit 20 minutes to let the water soak in, at this point it's just a little sticky. I kneed it a few turns, really, just 30 seconds or so until I don't feel any big lumps, with minimal bench flour. If it sticks to your bench or hands, use the silicon spatula to get it loose, and another tiny sprinkle of flour. I tuck it under into a ball, and let it rise in a warm place for 3 hours with cling wrap over the ball, until doubled, or a cool place overnight. I then divide it into four (or 8) 200 gram balls (I know that's on the small size) and store it in round plastic containers for 2 or three days in the fridge. Long retardation makes gluten structure just as well as much kneeding, and develops additional flavor to boot.

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Old 04-29-2008, 09:22 PM
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I did a half-recipe from the e-book, by weight, last weekend using bread flour vs. Caputo for just two pizzas. I halved all the weights and ended up with an overly dry dough. I added water till the consistency seemed right. Set aside for bulk raising with a light coat of spray oil, cut and formed dough balls, then hit them again with spray oil. 3 hours later, perfectly handling dough. Nice crust on baking too.
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Old 04-30-2008, 08:24 PM
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Thanks for all the great advice! I now have a good idea which direction I need to go. Sounds like if I up the hydration a smidge and refridge the balls overnight I should be in good shape.
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I agree with both of those. And avoid the oil on the dough ball -- it seems to sink in and make the skin of the ball tough.

Let us know how it goes.
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And avoid the oil on the dough ball -- it seems to sink in and make the skin of the ball tough.
I concur with that. When we were making pizza's the other night, my Mom was forming her dough and commented "Which side should be up? The side with the skin or the soft side". So there you go!

Just to be clear, it's OK to mix a couple of Tbls of EVOO into the dough, right?
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:18 PM
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Just to be clear, it's OK to mix a couple of Tbls of EVOO into the dough, right?
I've had good luck with a bit of oil in the dough, although I agree about not coating the ball. Of course my experience thus far is in the kitchen oven, so take it with a grain or two of salt.

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Old 05-01-2008, 07:22 PM
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Oil in the dough promotes browning, you may not need it in the wood fired oven. I agree with oiling the ball. With a properly sized plastic container dough balls don't skin up.
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