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    Hi all, I'm just in the planning stages of building a wood fired oven. As a non-handyman (though not a complete klutz) I'm getting a bit overwhelmed with it all, have read 4 books, the FB one as well and looked at what feels like thousands of websites and forum pages.

    Am building it on top of an existing retaining wall which happens to be at exactly the right height for the oven opening.

    Given I'm building mine on earth instead of on a purpose built stand, I'm presuming if I put down a waterproof rubber base then lay a 10cm concrete base (with reo steel) I gather that would be okay?

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Will post up photo's when work commences (fairly soon, want to build the dome over the Easter weekend).

    Thank you in advance for any advice & suggestions.

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    Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

    Dodgygrog

    Welcome you are in the right place.

    Firstly put up some photo's of the site as it makes responses a little easier if we can all see what you are dealing with. Check lburo site that links all the key builds if you have not done so already. Check out more recent builds as they have in a lot of cases included all the important improvements that have occurred over time/

    My concern would be the stability of the soil behind the retaining wall, and if it has been built properly with all the necessary drainage to get rid of excess moisture. I would be inclined to include some strip footings in the pour rather than simply building the hearth as a flat slab.

    There are some builds on here that have done similar to what you are doing. I'm not sure which ones off the top of my head can anyone else point him in the right direction?
    Cheers Colin

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    • #3
      Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

      Welcome Dodgygrog

      Like Colin said, a pic of the site would make giving advice easier. The most important thing would be to get the drainage right. As for the slab it depends on how you intend to go about it, CalSil board or vermicrete but the drainage behind your retaining wall is the first point of focus.
      Cheers ......... Steve

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        Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

        Originally posted by dodgygrog View Post
        Hi all, I'm just in the planning stages of building a wood fired oven. As a non-handyman (though not a complete klutz) I'm getting a bit overwhelmed with it all, have read 4 books, the FB one as well and looked at what feels like thousands of websites and forum pages.

        Am building it on top of an existing retaining wall which happens to be at exactly the right height for the oven opening.

        Given I'm building mine on earth instead of on a purpose built stand, I'm presuming if I put down a waterproof rubber base then lay a 10cm concrete base (with reo steel) I gather that would be okay?

        Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Will post up photo's when work commences (fairly soon, want to build the dome over the Easter weekend).

        Thank you in advance for any advice & suggestions.
        Gudday
        Welcome you'll find quite a few SA builders here .That rubber sheet is called builders plastic. You don't have to by a full roll its available in small DIY sections at most hardware.
        Regards dave
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        • #5
          Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

          Originally posted by dodgygrog View Post
          ..........Am building it on top of an existing retaining wall which happens to be at exactly the right height for the oven opening.

          Given I'm building mine on earth instead of on a purpose built stand, I'm presuming if I put down a waterproof rubber base then lay a 10cm concrete base (with reo steel) I gather that would be okay?.............
          Polyethylene sheet under the slab would be good. I would place the "waterproof" barrier on top of the slab between the concrete and the insulation, though.

          Be careful with the fill behind the retainer wall. Depending on how well it is packed: You might want to consider, footers that extend down to the stable soil. There are other ways, depending on your partiular situation. A wider foot print than normal for the slab is one. Piers/pilings strategically placed and, dug down to this layer with a post hole digger, are another. A lot depends on exactly what size oven you are planning to build. Oven size, finish etc. equals weight.

          It would be great if you could get some advice from a local, who is familiar with your type of soil etc.

          You mentionted that the 10 cm slab on top of the retaining wall would give you the "right height" for working the oven. As has been advised, think about the drainage in each direction from the oven. If you have to build it a little higher to allow for good drainage, do so. You can always build up below the retaining wall where you stand to work the oven.

          I put "french drains" around my oven behind my retaining wall. They are a pain in the as.......... Since you wont have a wood storage underneath, you can get around this if you take care of the surface drainage and use the waterproof barriers.

          Like has been said, pics and a little more explaination of your build and build site would help........a lot .
          Last edited by Gulf; 01-27-2014, 06:33 PM.
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          • #6
            Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

            Welcome Dodgygrog.

            This site will make your build process a lot easier and simpler.

            There was a similar build done some time ago on top of a retaining wall like you propose, I think it was in the Australian forum, I will endeavour to find and post link.

            As the slab will be sitting on earth, consider two things, heat loss and water penetration.

            Drainage and position will determine water issues, and Insulate, Insulate, Insulate, Insulate under the floor to prevent heat loss from the cooking floor.

            Most people who build WFO's start out not having the skills but soon quickly develop them, through the experience and tapping into the knowledge of this site.

            Good Luck

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            • #7
              Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

              Hi all, appreciate your interest and support.

              Here are a couple of photo's that may explain the set-up I'm working with. Hoping it will be suitable because there's not really another workable place (that the chief decision maker will approve).

              The dimensions of the space I was looking to concrete up as the hearth is 2m along the fence, with 600mm out to the retaining wall, then 2m along the retaining wall, then 350mm to the garden shed, then 2m back to the start (corner of fence and shed). So it's a triangle with two squared off ends (if that makes sense?).

              Obviously the shade will come down. The height of the retaining wall is almost 800mm. The oven itself is intended to be 930mm across, with a 400x300mm opening.

              I am a mildly concerned about the size of the oven and the space. In particular whether enough heat will escape the sides (pressed brick halves with blanket insulation & render) to damage the shed or fence.

              Anyway, here are the piccies (one is sideways, if I knew how to right it I would, sorry about that):
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              • #8
                Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

                Gudday
                If your using a tablet / phone take the pic in landscape not portrait the button on the right and it'll end up the right way round

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                Regards dave

                Ps how much space do you have there seems a bit shallow for an oven, for a 1 m oven you going to need 1.2 1.4 mtr depths for entrance insulation brick thickness etc
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                • #9
                  Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

                  Hi Cobblerdave,
                  Measuring from the front, at the width of the oven (930mm) the depth from the back of the retaining wall to shed wall slab on one side and the fence on the other is exactly 1.2m. Which is probably cutting it a little fine. I was planning for a short entrance, basically just room for a flue and brick front, maybe 300mm all up.

                  What would the wall thickness be for half bricks, blanket insulation and render finish? I'm imagining about 250mm? Given a 930mm wide oven base that would mean it takes up 980mm all up width-wise, and 1010mm deep given the 30mm entrance.
                  Cheers, Grog.

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                  • #10
                    Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

                    You could try doing more of a corner build, with the hearth slab/oven entrance between the two walls. Form work would enable the slab to be suspended over the corner and it should be self supporting tied into the rest of the slab over the main wall. This would give you more room.

                    Or if you want the oven straight on to the fence/wall area, cantilever over the edge of the wall would work as well

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                    • #11
                      Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

                      If it were me, I would remove (what ever it took of the retaining wall and fill) to fit the back of my oven stand. I really think in this case that you need to build the stand up from firm subsoil.

                      Also, (with the proper insulation) your oven will only be at ambient temperature outside the finished render. Maybe just a little warmer until it is completely dry.

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                      • #12
                        Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

                        Hi

                        Re photos, you don't need to take photos in landscape only. On your phone or computer where the photo is stored simply click and hold the photo right click with mouse, and edit the photo and you will see a rotate option. Rotate it then save. And reload into the post.

                        I concur with gulf, I would make it to size from the ground up by cutting into the retaining wall. Cantilever will work I did this in my build with the base slab and hearth base made with hebel to get the correct size. So I didn't need to compromise oven dynamics eg. Short vent area.
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                        • #13
                          Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

                          How about sketching a plan with dimensions and post that. Just take a photo of plan
                          Cheers Colin

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                            Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

                            Your space looks very similar to mine. I decided to go with a 36" oven due to space limitations. I knocked out my retaining wall and will build it starting on ground level. Here is the shape I went with:
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                              Re: New build in Adelaide - total rookie in need of help!

                              Guess I screwed that up. Here is the link instead of a super big pic: http://n8sbar.servebeer.com/wp-conte...ar-layout1.jpg
                              http://n8sbar.servebeer.com/

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