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  • Another new build in Adelaide

    Hi all, Started the build some months ago but now getting serious. Made the base from large limestone blocks with a concrete slab on top. Also laid a 75 mm slab of perlite/ cement insulation layer. Purchased the firebricks locally and now deciding whether to lay the floor first or soldier the first layer and then cut the floor bricks to suit. Can someone let me know if you need to use a bedding mortar under the floor bricks. Also interested to know if anyone has been able to find a supplier of fire clay in Adelaide.
    Will start taking pictures of build in future.
    cheers

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    Re: Another new build in Adelaide

    Harriott Its very unusual you have had no response.

    So welcome to the forum.

    Floor bricks are usually layed first on a screeded bed of sand and fire clay so that it can float. Soldier or sailor goes on or around is a decision you will need to make. Mine runs around with about a 5mm gap to allow for expansion.

    I wouldn't lay the soldier first makes the floor very awkward.

    Apparently Claypave sell bags of fire clay you will need only one bag well at least that's what I have used I used Alumina high temp cement sand and fireclay. I wanted to stick with all refractory products, most on here use the Home brew mortar.

    Again some photos are always useful to assistance so when you can would love to see the photo's of the progress so far.
    Last edited by oasiscdm; 12-09-2013, 02:46 PM.
    Cheers Colin

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    • #3
      Re: Another new build in Adelaide

      Originally posted by oasiscdm View Post
      Harriott Its very unusual you have had no response.

      So welcome to the forum.

      Floor bricks are usually layed first on a screeded bed of sand and fire clay so that it can float. Soldier or sailor goes on or around is a decision you will need to make. Mine runs around with about a 5mm gap to allow for expansion.

      I wouldn't lay the soldier first makes the floor very awkward.

      Apparently Claypave sell bags of fire clay you will need only one bag well at least that's what I have used I used Alumina high temp cement sand and fireclay. I wanted to stick with all refractory products, most on here use the Home brew mortar.

      Again some photos are always useful to assistance so when you can would love to see the photo's of the progress so far.
      Thanks for the reply.
      Can you tell me if its best to lay first layer directly on the base or start the first layer on top of the fire brick floor. I did intend starting the first layer directly on the insulated layer floor and then cutting in the floor to suit. I assume you would need to mortar the first layer but leave the cut in floor floating. To secure the first row of soldier bricks I will also secure with another surrounding 75mm layer of perlite cement.
      Will start sending photo as soon as I work out how
      Cheers

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      • #4
        Re: Another new build in Adelaide

        Hello Harriott,

        Welcome.

        I purchased my fireclay from Littlehampton Brick.

        I used a thin layer of fireclay under the floor bricks as that had been screeded level with the bricks laid on top. Moisture helps set the clay holding the bricks in place. I have not had an issue, the bricks have stayed level and have not moved noticeably.

        I laid the first course of dome on top of floor which I believe allows for better expansion as the dome "floats" on the floor. I have not had any cracking in my dome or floor.

        Good Luck

        Craig
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        Spike Milligan

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        • #5
          Re: Another new build in Adelaide

          Hi Harriott

          Welcome to the forum, lots of good info and help available, do a bit of research on the different builds and pick and choose the ideas which click. I think there is many ways to skin a cat (UtahBeehiver quote).

          I laid dome bricks on top of floor bricks, the floor bricks were laid on refactory castable (25mm heat bank) then calsil board (50mm) which had a layer of aluminium foil on top to prevent castable moisture soaking into calsil.
          The floor bricks were mortared with notched trowel on the castable with homebrew,
          2 parts Refactory Mortar
          2 parts fine sand (Drypak)
          1 part Brightonlite HE cement
          1 part lime
          No cracks or problems with dome & floor to date.
          Liteceeper
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          • #6
            Re: Another new build in Adelaide

            Originally posted by Liteceeper View Post
            Hi Harriott

            Welcome to the forum, lots of good info and help available, do a bit of research on the different builds and pick and choose the ideas which click. I think there is many ways to skin a cat (UtahBeehiver quote).

            I laid dome bricks on top of floor bricks, the floor bricks were laid on refactory castable (25mm heat bank) then calsil board (50mm) which had a layer of aluminium foil on top to prevent castable moisture soaking into calsil.
            The floor bricks were mortared with notched trowel on the castable with homebrew,
            2 parts Refactory Mortar
            2 parts fine sand (Drypak)
            1 part Brightonlite HE cement
            1 part lime
            No cracks or problems with dome & floor to date.
            Need some clarification Anthony.

            2 parts refactory mortar and I part Brightonlite HE cement that's a lot of cement?. or do you mean 2 parts fire clay [instead of refactory mortar]. Did you actually permanently fasten your floor to the base. Always thought it was meant to float.
            Cheers Colin

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            • #7
              Re: Another new build in Adelaide

              Originally posted by oasiscdm View Post
              Need some clarification Anthony.

              2 parts refactory mortar and I part Brightonlite HE cement that's a lot of cement?. or do you mean 2 parts fire clay [instead of refactory mortar]. Did you actually permanently fasten your floor to the base. Always thought it was meant to float.
              Same mix as used to build oven, float or not to float that is the question.
              Not sure, but I guess all floors move with the heat / cool cycles whether floating or initially fixed.
              Probably stirring up a hornet's nest.
              Liteceeper
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              • #8
                Re: Another new build in Adelaide

                Originally posted by david s
                A reminder that the forum has asked members not to discuss gas burners because of safety concerns.
                Posted that on the wrong thread.

                removed word burner from the post.
                Cheers Colin

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                • #9
                  Re: Another new build in Adelaide

                  Originally posted by Liteceeper View Post
                  Same mix as used to build oven, float or not to float that is the question.
                  Not sure, but I guess all floors move with the heat / cool cycles whether floating or initially fixed.
                  Probably stirring up a hornet's nest.
                  Anthony

                  my confusion was around the refractory mortar and HE cement. Is the Refractory mortar actually fire clay? because in the description of your mix there was no fire clay just 2 lots of cement.

                  I thought about mortaring the floor in place but having spoken to a number of forno experts went the floating route as most others have. Be interested how yours goes over time.
                  Cheers Colin

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                  • #10
                    Re: Another new build in Adelaide

                    Have shown some of the pictures taken to show were I am at with the build.
                    Pic 1 stand made of lime stone blocks and two rows of clay bricks used as part of the front shelf.
                    Pic 2 showing stand with the 75 mm perlite slab.
                    Pic 3 temp setup on ground around 900 mm wooden template (using 75/60 tapered fire bricks)
                    Pic 4 different angle.
                    Pic 5 template of front arch.
                    Pic 6 Temp placement of fire brick floor
                    Pic 7 side shot of temp placement
                    Pic 8 Marked bricks ready to cut.
                    Once this has been done I think I will soldier the first layer around circumference leaving 2 mm gap between.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Another new build in Adelaide

                      Hi again,
                      Extra two photos.
                      Cheers
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                      • #12
                        Re: Another new build in Adelaide

                        Keep the photos coming harriott, really like the limestone blocks as the stand.
                        When you lay the arches place the formwork on a couple of 2 - 3mm spacers to allow you to drop the forms away from arches when you remove them.
                        Liteceeper
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                        • #13
                          Re: Another new build in Adelaide

                          Originally posted by Liteceeper View Post
                          ...really like the limestone blocks as the stand.
                          Me too...couple questions. Do you have any close ups of the limes stone? Are they new or reclaimed?
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                          • #14
                            Re: Another new build in Adelaide

                            Originally posted by Liteceeper View Post
                            Keep the photos coming harriott, really like the limestone blocks as the stand.
                            When you lay the arches place the formwork on a couple of 2 - 3mm spacers to allow you to drop the forms away from arches when you remove them.
                            Thanks for the advice. Did intend using a couple of styrene blocks which I could then destroy to remove arch.
                            cheers

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                            • #15
                              Re: Another new build in Adelaide

                              Originally posted by stonecutter View Post
                              Me too...couple questions. Do you have any close ups of the limes stone? Are they new or reclaimed?
                              Have 2 pictures of blocks used.
                              1st picture is the close-up of blocks used for stand. (from memory I they cam from Hewinstone on Grand junction road and are actually hollow blocks, so you can as I did fill with concrete to lock them all to gether.
                              Second picture is of sand stone blocks used to make small retaining wall around garden. (Mt Gambia stone) very heavy.
                              Also have seen a good cast block from a company at 1 Sth Road Thebarton.
                              Hope this helps
                              Cheers
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