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Dome Installation Video - Casa / Premio / Modena

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For many of you who bought a modular oven, you may have asked how we put the domes together when we build them. For those of you considering one of our ovens, we shot a video to make your install easier.

Check it out on our You Tube Channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7q7...jSniYogfUra06Q

If the link doesn't work, simply go to You Tube and type Forno Bravo Channel. The video title is How to Set your Forno Bravo Oven Dome Pieces.

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  • Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

    (Essay No 33⅓)

    Dome gauges – there are many ideas out there – perhaps the simplest, a bit of wire fixed by a screw or nail to the centre of the cooking floor.

    For my project, the centre of the cooking floor for some reason did not coincide with an intersection between bricks. I was concerned that if I drilled a hole in the centre (close to the edge of a brick), it would lead to a chipped corner, and I had had enough of those laying the floor (too heavy handed with the rubber mallet!).

    So I decided to:
    1. put down a temporary MDF floor to assist in laying the first ring of bricks at the correct diameter;
    2. fix a ball/socket joint to the centre of the MDF floor;
    3. fix a dowel/rod setup to the ball joint like other members have recommended to test for correct diameter, course by course.
    After many sleepless nights, I came up with the idea of using a photographic tripod ball head, fixed upside down to the MDF with a barbed T-nut, and a ‘dowel’ fastened to the ball head by an appropriately threaded bolt.

    But what threads do tripods use, you may well ask? It's a choice of Metric (France, Germany etc) or Imperial – probably Whitworth (BSW) at a guess. Now I’m no betting man, but I would have thought that the first person to design a camera tripod mount would have been Continental (ie a metric thread), rather than a Brit or American. But wrong! The threads on the tripod mount are either ¼” (more common) or ⅜” BSW. So I’ve learnt yet another thing during the course of this project. I daresay it could have been George Eastman who decided on the thread, and camera tripod mounts will consequently be the same forever!

    So I purchased a ⅜” bolt and ¼” T-nut, drilled out the end of a scrap piece of timber and glued the bolt (after decapitating it) into the end. A few quick calculations led me to realise that I had to compensate for the height of the ball head centre above the floor, so I rigged up a system of a packer (for slope) and end stop (for internal diameter) to check that I’m doing things more or less correctly. The only problem is that both the packer height and end stop distance must be altered each course.

    Pics below are self-explanatory. And yes – I know, don’t tell me – the ancient Romans would not have done it like this – but I’m inexperienced. Well at least I chose an Italian ball head! If it survives the build, it will deserve pride of place on my new tripod!

    Cheers, Paul.
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    Re: I Did It My Way! – Hendo’s Dome Gauge

    Hendo

    Very nice and original idea.
    Wade Lively

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    • #3
      Re: I Did It My Way! – Hendo’s Dome Gauge

      Originally posted by Hendo View Post
      I would have thought that the first person to design a camera tripod mount would have been Continental (ie a metric thread), rather than a Brit or American. But wrong! The threads on the tripod mount are either ¼” (more common) or ⅜” BSW. So I’ve learnt yet another thing during the course of this project. I daresay it could have been George Eastman who decided on the thread, and camera tripod mounts will consequently be the same forever!
      Yep, camera mounts are quarter-twenty. Thats what we call NC (national coarse) in the US, and it was standardized by the Society of Auto Engineers in the last century, and used to be called SAE threads. The interesting thing was that it was standardized from existing shop practice, rather that first principles. I've worked on clocks from Mass. made in the early 19th century that used standard NC threading. It's quite different from whitworth, which has 55 degree face angles instead of sixty, and a rather aggressive radius on the top of the thread. The differences seem trivial until you start to fit parts together. The British never really standardized these things across industries.
      Manufacturers stuck stubbornly to their traditional practice.

      The inch was never standardized until an international conference in the 1950's, where it was declared 25.4mm exactly. That's right - it's a metric measurement. It meant very little change to the US, but bigger changes for the other parts of the english speaking world.
      My geodesic oven project: part 1, part 2

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        Re: I Did It My Way! – Hendo’s Dome Gauge

        Paul - I believe there is a saying "Necessity is the mother of all invention". Very clever! For those that take this approach, you can purchase an in line ball joint for around $4.00 at this site. Keep your tripod in one piece so you can take pictures of the build

        McMaster-Carr

        Les...
        Check out my pictures here:
        http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/les-build-4207.html

        If at first you don't succeed... Skydiving isn't for you.

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        • #5
          Re: I Did It My Way! – Hendo’s Dome Gauge

          Yeh,
          good one Paul. You should have made your job a little easier by referring to that idea in Russell Jeavons book for positioning the dome bricks, but his cost much less sleep than yours by using a pin (rather than a tripod ball joint), and a folded right angles piece of metal on a rod.
          Good to see you underway again.

          Neill
          Prevention is better than cure, - do it right the first time!

          The more I learn, the more I realise how little I know


          Neill’s Pompeiii #1
          http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/n...-1-a-2005.html
          Neill’s kitchen underway
          http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f35/...rway-4591.html

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          • #6
            Re: Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

            This is a very good thread that has received good reviews, and Paul thought it would be a good idea to move it to Tools, Tips and Techiques. I've made it a sticky thread, so it will be read frequently.

            Here it is. Thanks Paul.
            James
            Pizza Ovens
            Outdoor Fireplaces

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            • #7
              Re: Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

              James,
              From my perspective as an Old Fart, this site certainly appears different from the one I know and love;viz. ExplorOz. (A touring/4wd forum for Australia, in which I have no financial interest,apart from being a dysfunctional member).
              Mate, thanks in large part to you and your people, the 'soldiers' are set. Alas, Russell Jeavon's book , whilst inspirational, appears shy in the area of the brick gauge.
              Never mind, all good,...and thanks Mate: Bloody inspirational.
              Yours in awe.
              faithfull,old serf's Dog.
              Jess.

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              • #8
                Re: Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

                Very nice...

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                • #9
                  Re: Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

                  I resurfaced this as a bit of a tribute.....Adios amigo.....via con dios.
                  sigpicTiempo para guzarlos..... ...enjoy every sandwich!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

                    Definitely worth bringing back...both the idea and the individual...
                    All the best all ways
                    Dutch
                    "Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity. " Charles Mingus
                    "Build at least two brick ovens...one to make all the mistakes on and the other to be just like you dreamed of!" Dutch

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                    • #11
                      Re: Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

                      I know my oven wouldn't have been the same without Hendo's gauge...

                      May it help many future WFO builders.
                      "Building a Brick oven is the most fun anyone can have by themselves." (Terry Pratchett... slightly amended)

                      http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/p...pics-2610.html
                      http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f9/p...nues-2991.html

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

                        Hi Hendo!
                        How did you managed to set up last chains of bricks - with or without support form? I think its a pity to have switch at the very end of the project from that nice exact measured clean looking style to something else (which, I guess, using the form should force to do).

                        Regards,
                        Dimity

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                        • #13
                          Re: Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

                          Dimity,

                          Sadly Hendo died not long ago. Here, I'll add the link....

                          http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f30/...very-3568.html

                          About the top of the dome, I guess it depends how sticky your mortar is and/or how skilled you are at brick laying... My mortar was very sticky, so I was able to finish without any support from below. Others have used all kinds of supports. But you still have to climb in side the oven too clean up the inside when you're finished, so it doesn't make much difference to the finished dome either way.
                          "Building a Brick oven is the most fun anyone can have by themselves." (Terry Pratchett... slightly amended)

                          http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/p...pics-2610.html
                          http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f9/p...nues-2991.html

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                          • #14
                            Re: Hendo's dome gauge -- nice idea

                            OH MY GOD
                            It's so sad.
                            I didn't reach the end (in all meanings as it now is) of his post.
                            It's so sad.....

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                            • #15
                              Re: I Did It My Way! – Hendo’s Dome Gauge

                              I did a search on "in line ball joint" on this web site and got 500 products. can you specify exactly what product would be best to purchase? part number, thanks

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