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  • Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

    Hello fellow pizza enthusiasts!

    After a year of reading the FB forums and debating whether to build a Pompei or ordering a modular kit, we finally came to a decision and ordered a Giardino 70 from Forno Bravo. Because of space limitation, we went for a round shaped oven stand.

    The location of the oven in the backyard was chosen away from the house, fence and trees and so the bonsai had to be relocated. Hope it survives the ordeal...

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    The flagstones were cut using a diamond blade, and a 4" form put in place (old garden border material).

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    The 40" diameter foundation took 7 x 60lbs bags of concrete mix, mixed in a wheelbarrow, and 6 small rebars.

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    I used concrete garden stones (keystone country cottage small stone) from the local rock depot, with mortar in between. A layer takes around 17 of those bricks for a diameter of 40". The stones have a wedge shape. Using blocks would have led to either bigger gaps or a lot of cutting.

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    Four layers seem to be enough. Two concrete blocks were placed inside the stand and filled with left over mortar and a plywood plank placed on top of that. Ready for the slab to be poured next week-end.

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    More pictures to come!
    Last edited by Allo Pizza?; 02-15-2010, 08:25 AM.

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    Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

    Great spot, the keystones were a good choice to make the tight radius, whatever their cost compared to block it was worth it. no cuts. Look forward to your progress.
    John

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    • #3
      Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

      Thanks John. I am starting to think about the finish line and still have some questions about the stand, dome and the chimney. Would it make sense, given the small diameter (40") of the slab, to pour 2" or 3" of concrete and then a couple of inches of vermicrete on top of that (to complement the insulation board supplied by FB)?

      I tried lifting one side of the dome and could barely lift it. Not sure how much it weighs but that thing is heavy! Is there a trick to moving the dome close to the stand and lift if in place? How many friends/neighbors should I call on? Right now, the dome is resting on the insulation board and that will need to somehow move in place first.

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      I would like to use a chimney cap with a 5/8" spark arrestor mesh. Would that fit on the terracotta chimney that came with the G70? FB carries the 6" Simpson cap and there is a 5" version available too. There are also some very nice copper pot toppers on the web but they are a bit pricey. What is the best route?

      Finally for the igloo shaped dome finish, I have read somewhere on the forum about using Quickcrete Qwickwall surface bonding cement mixed with an acryclic fortifier on top of the 3 insulation blankets that came with the kit for a waterproof finish. I have also read about using vermicrete for that purpose, or a layer of one on top of the other. Can anyone recommend one or the other?

      Thanks!

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        Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

        As to the moving heavy objects with limited manpower. Cut 4 or 5 1'' pvc pipes a couple feet long. Use a prybar to lift an edge and put the pipe under and keep adding pipe for it to roll along. Incredibly easy and if you are on uneven ground you can lay some 2x4's between the ground and pipe. Once you get it close use blocks for cribbing and alternately lift each side with the prybar until you get it to height. Now put the pvc pipe lengthways under your object and base and you can slide it over. Slide out the pipe using the prybar. Pop a top on a cold one and take pride in your accomplishment.

        Check my millstone project in my gallery of other projects listed below to see what I'm talking about.
        Scott -

        My projects: http://www.facebook.com/#!/scott.kerr.794

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        • #5
          Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

          Hey Allo Pizza,

          You don't need to add any vermiculite concrete under the FB Board for thermal reasons. If you want to raise the cooking floor a little bit for cooking height, you could build your stand up using vermiculite concrete (and the extra insulation wouldn't hurt).

          One way of lifting the G70 dome is to get three friends to help you slide 2"x4"s under the dome and lift it up to the hearth that way. Tip the front up high enough to slide the 2"x4"s underneath. You can do it! :-)

          On easy way to form your Igloo is to use stucco lathe. You can cut, shape and tie wire it into place -- and then do the scratch coat of stucco.

          Have fun - I am looking forward to seeing how it comes out.
          James
          Pizza Ovens
          Outdoor Fireplaces

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            Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

            Originally posted by Millstone Man View Post
            Use a prybar to lift an edge and put the pipe under and keep adding pipe for it to roll along. Check my millstone project in my gallery of other projects listed below to see what I'm talking about.
            Thanks for the tip. I may try it to get the dome out of the garage and move it closer to the stand. Then maybe use James 2x4 technique to lift it into place.
            By the way, really nice work on that staircase.

            Originally posted by james View Post
            On easy way to form your Igloo is to use stucco lathe. You can cut, shape and tie wire it into place -- and then do the scratch coat of stucco.
            Have fun - I am looking forward to seeing how it comes out.
            James
            So I would cover the blanket with a stucco lathe and then apply stucco. If I wanted the final result to appear like a dome/half sphere to match the circular stand, that would mean applying several inches of stucco around the vent/chimney area. Would that work, or would I need some sort of support underneath the stucco in that area?

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              Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

              The stucco lathe will hold whatever shape you form, and the you only need about 1" for the stucco itself -- in two or three coats. If you shape the lathe around the chimney the way you want it to look, you won't need to apply a thicker layer of stucco for shape.

              James
              Pizza Ovens
              Outdoor Fireplaces

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                Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

                Not to be the spelling police, but

                Lath = masonry armature
                Lathe = Machine to make cylindrical objects

                Interestingly they come from the same middle english word, meaning twig. Medieval turners would set up their workpiece between centers, wrap a rope around it tensioned by a bent sapling behind it, and pull the rope to rotate the workpiece back and forth. It was centuries before turners figured out how to achieve uniform forward rotation.
                My geodesic oven project: part 1, part 2

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                • #9
                  Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

                  Very nice. Thanks Dmun. :-)
                  James
                  Pizza Ovens
                  Outdoor Fireplaces

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                    Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

                    Originally posted by james View Post
                    The stucco lathe will hold whatever shape you form, and the you only need about 1" for the stucco itself -- in two or three coats. If you shape the lathe around the chimney the way you want it to look, you won't need to apply a thicker layer of stucco for shape.
                    James
                    Thanks James, I found pictures of the stucco lath in the installation guide. When all fails, read the manual. Looks straight forward. That will probably have to wait until next week since it is raining this week-end. But at least the stand is done, with a 5" slab, including a vermicrete partial core.

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                      Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

                      For lifting, moving and controlling heavy objects, see if any of your friends / relatives have an engine hoist.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

                        Very nice work on the stand. I am in East County, and am building a 42" Pompeii. Good luck on the build.
                        Eric

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                          Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

                          Originally posted by Neil2 View Post
                          For lifting, moving and controlling heavy objects, see if any of your friends / relatives have an engine hoist.
                          I tried James' suggestion this morning and using the 2"x4" from the crate and 4 bricks, I was able to wedge the 2x4 between the dome and the insulation board and set them on the bricks. This allowed me to slide the insulation boards out. So everything is ready to go. The dome is not as heavy as I thought initially and 4 people should be able to move it without problem. The most challenging aspect of this project for me was building the stand and now the fun part should begins. Tomorrow maybe if the sun stays out...

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                            Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

                            Progress! The sun came out this morning and I was able to install the insulation board and lay the cooking floor on a bed of sand. You can see in the picture that I miscalculated slightly the minimum size of the stand and that the insulation board is sticking out in front. Not sure what to do about it. Oh well...

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                            I placed the 2 remaining front tiles on a bed of refractory mortar. Then, with help from my neighbors, we moved the dome onto the brick stand. This freed space in the garage, which made my wife happy.

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                            The mortar was added before lowering the dome in place.

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                            Next week, time to place the insulation blankets and maybe begin a layer of stucco. Almost there!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Giardino 70 in San Diego - round stand

                              Nice stand Allo. The precast looks like a nice way to go. You are a lot closer to pizza than I am. Good luck
                              Eric

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