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  • Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

    Attached is a picture of my catenary shaped brick oven project.
    Hearth slab size is 90 cm x 84 cm (5 cm thick).
    Wall thickness is 10 cm.
    Vermiculite bottom insulation is 10 cm.
    To keep thermal mass low, allowing short/fuel efficient heat up
    times, I will add no cladding.
    Will post more pics as builing progresses...


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    Last edited by Peterrr; 03-12-2008, 01:37 PM.

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    Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

    Not a traditional high mass bread oven but a definite twist to the pompeii

    load up more pics.

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    • #3
      Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

      That's neat! We keep hearing about the structural benefits of the cantenary, and we look forward to cooking reports. I hope there's insulation under there somewhere...
      My geodesic oven project: part 1, part 2

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      • #4
        Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

        Only thing is needs is a way to neck it down to gain a throat for a chimney.
        The shape is very pleasing to the eye.

        --mr.jim
        --mr.jim
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        unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
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        • #5
          Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

          @dmun: I have 4 inches (10 cm) of vermiculite insulation under there.
          @n2iko: I was planning to make the front/chimney side a straight wall
          (like the back side).
          Do you think it is necessary to "neck it down" ?

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          • #6
            Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

            Some kind of flue funnel will help with the draw. You don't want smoke in your face (and smoke stains on the front of your enclosure) when you are fueling the fire at the beginning.
            My geodesic oven project: part 1, part 2

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            • #7
              Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

              It is my experience that a nice even flow of gases increases efficiency. The doorway vent area is a very important to this flow. It is the seperation point of the incandescent gasses. Makes the chimney a bit quieter also.
              Your call at this point.


              --mr.jim
              --mr.jim
              ---------------------------------------------------------------
              The real art of conversation is not only to say the correct thing at the right time, but also to leave
              unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
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              • #8
                Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

                Peterrr,

                This is solely based on my experience with different types and shapes of ovens, including round and barrel vault. If you do not neck down to a vent/flue area, what you will have in essence is a fireplace, not an oven. You really want the combustion air to come in at floor level and the combustion gasses to exit at dome level. Without narrowing the vent area, you will not create the necessary venturi effect for efficient combustion and maximum heat output. You really want the intake/exhaust cycle to speed up as much as possible for a bright, efficient burn. Without that, you'll be burning a lot of wood to create the same amount of heat. It's a saying on this forum that you can never have too much insulation. The exterior of your dome should be insulated to the max you have space for. The whole idea is create the heat as efficiently as possible, then retain it for as long as possible.

                Jim
                "Made are tools, and born are hands"--William Blake, 1757-1827

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                • #9
                  Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

                  Plan is indeed to put a thick insulation layer on the oven.
                  2" ceramic blanket + 2" vemiculite concrete.
                  I will post some more pics later of the vent/flue contruction I intend
                  to construct.
                  Here some more clarifiying (I hope..) pics:

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                  • #10
                    Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven (Fire!)

                    At last, I decided on how to close the front.
                    Also this weekend the provisional setup for the chimney was made.
                    I wanted to "test drive" the system to see if it works before starting to insulate it.

                    It worked out really good!
                    No smoke escapes, draw is very good.

                    Here are the pics:
                    Attached Files

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                    • #11
                      Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

                      Nice variation.....Keep the pics coming!
                      sigpicTiempo para guzarlos..... ...enjoy every sandwich!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

                        Peterrr,

                        Certainly looks like you're headed in the right direction with this interesting variant. Your rear wall bricks look like they are very close to the building wall, if not touching. The back wall will be a hot spot in your design, so I'd suggest you place calcium silicate board (as thick as possible) between the oven wall bricks and the building wall. Otherwise, you will get significant heat transfer and loss in that area.

                        Jim
                        "Made are tools, and born are hands"--William Blake, 1757-1827

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                        • #13
                          Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

                          Jim,

                          You are right about the hot back wall being close to the building wall.
                          The middle pic shows that I filled up the space with 15cm Vermiculite as
                          insulation.
                          Seems to be working OK.

                          Roeland.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

                            OK, here some more pics of various stages of the building process.
                            Attached Files

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                            • #15
                              Re: Roeland's catenary shaped brick oven.

                              Peterrr,

                              Good. It was a little difficult to see without the explanation.

                              Jim
                              "Made are tools, and born are hands"--William Blake, 1757-1827

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